Apple September 2015 Keynote

Truth be told, I have stability issues with Safari (and sometimes opening up new blank tabs takes 5 seconds... kind of ridiculous) but I prefer that my laptop not get too hot.

[+] untog|10 years ago|reply

I used to be the same - I used Chrome as my "dev" browser, and Firefox as my "actual" browser. But Firefox has gotten worse and worse (hanging, slow response, etc) for no discernible reason (i.e. I disabled all the extensions and it was still bad).

So I gave Safari a try. And it's actually... fine. Nothing mind-blowing whatsoever, but has all the features I needed in Firefox. My one irritation is the trackpad gestures I don't want. A good few times now I've accidentally gone back by swiping with two fingers, zoomed out to tab selection by some oversensitive pinch gesture, etc etc

[+] unknown|10 years ago|reply

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[+] croddin|10 years ago|reply

> Requirements: Live streaming uses Apple’s HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) technology. HLS requires ..., or a PC with Microsoft Edge on Windows 10.

Interesting. They are limiting it to their own devices and software, except they allow Microsoft Edge. Is there a technical reason for this? Couldn't Chrome/Firefox work? Strange that they would give Edge an exception.

[+] itp|10 years ago|reply

It's not that they gave Edge an exception, it's that only Edge, aside from Apple products, implements HLS (an Apple specification).

[+] pantulis|10 years ago|reply

I think this is one of Apple's semi-standard protocols that just happens to be supported by Edge, not that Apple is "allowing" Microsoft's browser in any way.

[+] nrb|10 years ago|reply

Microsoft Edge fully supports HLS, Firefox doesn't at all, and Chrome doesn't officially support it on desktop browsers.

[+] marquis|10 years ago|reply

Chrome supports its own streaming method, MPEG-DASH with H.264 which is what Youtube runs on where possible. Firefox stated it won't support H.264 on principle (although it does now, for WebRTC). Android supports HLS, as does iOS, out of the box. HLS was designed to supersede RTSP however we also have the equally-ubiquitous RTMP, which Flash supports natively. You can get an HLS stream via Flash with an add-on to some clients so now this will work on IE, Chrome Firefox, and there are also some custom, proprietary clients out there for h.264/HLS. It's not a pleasant ecosystem right now..

[+] IBM|10 years ago|reply

Edge supports HLS, the others don't.

[+] atonse|10 years ago|reply

Actually HLS is an IETF draft [1], but I'm not sure why Apple never followed through on making it a full standard because it's got a ton of clear advantages to traditional streaming technologies. I think it's more an issue of other browsers not supporting it, rather than Apple stopping them.

1: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming...

[+] grecy|10 years ago|reply

This is the first time They've allowed Windows, I think

[+] tomelders|10 years ago|reply

I feel like the Apple event page should show you the start time in your timezone. It's on a computer after all.

[+] nemo44x|10 years ago|reply

There are a lot of edge cases that could go wrong there such as people who live right near a timezone border. Not to mention VPN's, etc.

Giving a direct time and timezone prevents a lot of potential issues and mitigates a lot of risk. A worthy optimization for this case I suspect.

[+] rebootthesystem|10 years ago|reply

Seriously, what a shit elitist company Apple is turning out to be. You can't watch this on Chrome or Firefox. You can't watch it on Safari on a PC. Quicktime on a PC gives a friendly "Error 47: Invalid URL. 0".

In the meantime any 15 year old kid can get online and webcast anything they want to millions of people around the world watching on any browser on any device.

These limitations imposed by Apple are purely artificial. There is no technical reason for which they couldn't make this available on any device and any browser.

Unbelievable.

I'm so glad we got our apps off the iOS ecosystem and stopped developing products for free only to bolster Apple's standing. This is not a company you want to partner with in any way unless you happen to be another 800 pound gorilla.

Sad.

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