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"More Flame Bait," or why Charles Stross uses Macs

16 points| JCThoughtscream | 16 years ago |antipope.org | reply

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[+] blehn|16 years ago|reply
I agree that Apple's attention detail in design is excellent. I would say, however, that they tend to fail miserably in terms of ergonomics. A few examples:

[1]All Apple mice. The latest, Magic Mouse, is like instant carpal tunnel.

[2]All Apple displays. They tilt, but you can't adjust the height...seems absurd to me.

[3]The unibody Macbooks. Sharp edges are extremely uncomfortable for wrists (odd for a company so committed to rounded corners).

Apple often sacrifices ergonomics in favor of aesthetics. That said, most consumers probably don't use the devices enough to notice the ergonomic shortcomings.

[+] ilamont|16 years ago|reply
Agree on [1] -- remember the hockey puck mouse on the old iMacs? Steve Jobs actually said it was "the most wonderful mouse" when he unveiled it at Macworld (see http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/01/01/steve-jobs-greate...)

On [2], the old "half-dome" iMacs let you adjust the height and even swivel the display horizontally almost 90 degrees in either direction. I owned one, and really liked how the display could be adjusted to point almost anywhere -- it was great for letting the kids look at the screen.

One problem with the more recent iMacs is it's very easy to pull out the power cord from the back of the monitor if you swivel vertically when the cord is taut.

In terms of iPhone ergonomics, I am curious how Apple will update the body in the next generation. There is a lot of room for improvement, IMHO.

[+] jacobolus|16 years ago|reply
> Sharp edges are extremely uncomfortable for wrists

If your wrist is hitting the corner you’re doing something very wrong w/r/t ergonomic laptop use. Your hands should be floating above the keyboard, and your arms straight out from there.

[+] elai|16 years ago|reply
Swivel, tilt and rotate would be a great feature to add to the new e-ips imacs.
[+] daredevildave|16 years ago|reply
"most PC vendors wouldn't know good industrial design if you hit them over the head with it"

I've often wondered about this, surely the PC market is large enough that someone could come in with exceptionally well-designed machines, pre-built, running Windows, that had the "it just works" nature of a Mac. Is Windows really so broken as to prevent that?

I guess I'm thinking something like Alienware used to be only more focussed on overall usability rather than gaming oomph.

[+] rbritton|16 years ago|reply
They could, yes, but it undermines the fundamental basis on which the consumer PC industry is based: cheap, throw-away computers. Well-designed machines require precision and machining that adds to the cost of the computer, and with companies such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, and such operating on such thin margin, high-volume selling, any additional cost adds up quickly.

There is a massive difference in the build quality between a typical Apple product and a typical HP or Dell product. There's an attention to detail that appears to only exist at the higher price point. For those that build their own boxes, you have likely found that a quality case is worth the price differential — and this is only one piece.

[+] joshu|16 years ago|reply
This seems more likely to incite a flamewar than a useful discussion.
[+] JCThoughtscream|16 years ago|reply
Or it could incite a discussion on the relative merits of Apple's industrial design approach, how accurate Stross's assessment is, and what should or shouldn't carry over to the industry at-large.

I realize OS wankery is pretty much standard amongst techies, and that anticipating it is far from unwarranted, but there's always the chance that a discussion might actually pan out alright.

[+] jokermatt999|16 years ago|reply
It seems to have inspired a smattering of fair discussion here at least. To be fair, he did warn readers in the very title, so it isn't necessarily supposed to be an excellent, discussion provoking piece.