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riggins | 10 years ago

I don't know why your comment is being down-voted. George Soros based his entire career on this dynamic and even coined the term 'reflexivity' to describe it.

Here's where and why I think the disconnect happens. Most of our possessions in day to day life tend to have a relatively stable value. Your iPhone 6 is worth $600 dollars, oranges are $2/lbs, a t-shirt is $20. Markets for non-capital goods (i.e. goods that are consumed with 1 yr or so) are very efficient most of the time. However, the claim that 'markets are efficient' (and the kinda-corollary that there's some stable intrinsic price) gets applied to all markets all the time. But markets for capital goods are not efficient all the time (by capital goods I mean something where the lifetime is greater than 1 year ... e.g. houses, airplanes, financial investments like stocks & bonds). Because most things in our everyday life have some 'true' value its seems wrong that there are assets that don't have an 'intrinsic' value or whose value is determined by perception.

However value is determined by perception. A great example of this is GE. A little history ... up until the early 90's GE used to fund itself almost entirely with short term debt. GE was able to do this because everyone considered GE a AAA credit risk. This 'AAA' expectation from the market actually meant huge additional profits for GE because GE could continually borrow short term debt at short term rates (say 1%) and turn around and lend their customers money at longer term rates (say 5%) picking up spread. In the early 1990's Bill Gross came out and basically said 'this is crazy ... there's no way a company that is financed almost entirely with short term debt is a AAA credit'. Subsequently, GE was forced to term out their debt and this coincided with GE no longer outperforming the market (I haven't followed that closely but I think that GE has slowly been winding down GE Finance). The point here is that expectations (specifically that GE was a AAA credit) had a huge impact on the 'intrinsic' value of the company.

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devonkim|10 years ago

GE spun out GE Capital entirely and is divesting from it. Even Synchrony is separate from GE as well now. It's also selling off its appliances division to anyone that is willing to handle it long-term (seems that the sale to Electrolux fell through). This is all consistent with the strategy to return GE to an "industrial" company.