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1945 | 10 years ago

Absolutely, but it by no means marks the bottom. Have a look at the last 5 years of KOL (ETF because I can't recall the coal futures symbol).

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diffraction|10 years ago

There's no futures symbol because coal is inherently worth different values based on location. It's a solid, it doesn't spoil (sometimes it spontaneously combusts), you need a whole lot of it to do anything useful. These difficulties fragment the market. For example there are futures for: Australia coal, South Africa coal, Wyoming powder basin coal, Illinois basin coal, etc. It is transported by train or on a dry bulk ship.

pjc50|10 years ago

Well, the same is roughly true of oil although it's a little harder to store and ship. There's at least two futures markets (Brent and WTI), various oil grades etc. People seem happier assigning a single "oil price" despite local variation.

peteretep|10 years ago

    > but it by no means marks the bottom
If you know with any degree of certainty at all which way an asset will move, you stand to make a gigantic amount of money. Everybody you have ever heard telling you which way an asset is moving is guessing just as much as people who tell you it's going to move the other way.

winfred|10 years ago

It isn't as much the fact that the asset will move, as the direction and the timeline that matters, as well as the availability of investment vehicles. If I'd wanted to profit on the knowledge that coal will go down, I'd have to short the stock which isn't free, so it is important for me to know on what time frame it will go down (if I knew it would go up, but not on what time frame, it would work just fine). Another example, I know lithium (the commodity) is going to go up, but 90% of the lithium market is dominated by 3 companies, each of which get less than 20% of their revenue from lithium mining, meaning I have no way of profiting from my knowledge.