Why can't people grasp what they are letting the government do?
They wouldn't agree if the Gov't would want to bug all telephones and read your mail in order to find child pornography ...
"We need to develop an early-warning system to monitor cyberspace, identify intrusions and locate the source of attacks with a trail of evidence that can support diplomatic, military and legal options and we must be able to do this in milliseconds. More specifically, we need to re-engineer the Internet to make attribution, geo-location, intelligence analysis and impact assessment who did it, from where, why and what was the result more manageable. The technologies are already available from public and private sources and can be further developed if we have the will to build them into our systems and to work with our allies and trading partners so they will do the same."
90% of this is done most effectively and cheaply by sniffing the backbone links and having a fast-response ability to filter incoming traffic via router control. Sort of like what any decent NOC does now.
Where's the destruction of the open internet? Only in Wired's typically-REM (R.E.M. (n) Rectal Extraction Method) hyperbole do we have a conspiracy story. Classic Slashdot fodder, I don't see what it's doing on HN.
No, we're not at war over the Internet right now. But a network-based attack is a fantastic first-wave means of reducing the target's ability -- no different from sending in stealth bombers to knock out radar first. Right now we're in a cold-war variant, arming, defending, and collecting intel on opponents doing the same.
I don't get how they can change the Internet and get the rest of the world to build on this "new" infrastructure (and they really need the rest of the world to follow suit in order for it to work) ... unless it means separating the US from the rest of us.
On one hand, the US has the largest market for web applications. On the other hand, Europe, Japan and China at least are fast growing markets that may surpass the US in the future ... so I'm pretty sure many US entrepreneurs will move their businesses overseas.
So don't worry about it, it will be just like the Copenhagen negotiations, if not worse :) Not to mention that I don't think they have the technical skills to pull it of (the Internet itself was spawned by some of the brightest minds of the 20th century).
> the government must consult engineers, civil liberty orgs and people in the know on these policy moves because this is obvious scaremongering.
What's the definition of "must" for which the above makes sense? (I'd like govts to consult others, but I recognize they can get away with not doing so.)
And here I was hoping that all the reports about China's espionage efforts was tied to I don't know rumors of China cutting back on rare earth exports. A sort of "keep selling us neodymium or we convince american sto stop buying from you" threat.
No silly me just plain old fashioned Big Brother. Anyone taking bets on the google attacks being a false flag operation?
[+] [-] ErrantX|16 years ago|reply
It's still the same bullshit.
[+] [-] Spark23|16 years ago|reply
[+] [-] lallysingh|16 years ago|reply
Here's the quote they listed:
"We need to develop an early-warning system to monitor cyberspace, identify intrusions and locate the source of attacks with a trail of evidence that can support diplomatic, military and legal options and we must be able to do this in milliseconds. More specifically, we need to re-engineer the Internet to make attribution, geo-location, intelligence analysis and impact assessment who did it, from where, why and what was the result more manageable. The technologies are already available from public and private sources and can be further developed if we have the will to build them into our systems and to work with our allies and trading partners so they will do the same."
90% of this is done most effectively and cheaply by sniffing the backbone links and having a fast-response ability to filter incoming traffic via router control. Sort of like what any decent NOC does now.
Where's the destruction of the open internet? Only in Wired's typically-REM (R.E.M. (n) Rectal Extraction Method) hyperbole do we have a conspiracy story. Classic Slashdot fodder, I don't see what it's doing on HN.
No, we're not at war over the Internet right now. But a network-based attack is a fantastic first-wave means of reducing the target's ability -- no different from sending in stealth bombers to knock out radar first. Right now we're in a cold-war variant, arming, defending, and collecting intel on opponents doing the same.
(edited for formatting)
[+] [-] bad_user|16 years ago|reply
On one hand, the US has the largest market for web applications. On the other hand, Europe, Japan and China at least are fast growing markets that may surpass the US in the future ... so I'm pretty sure many US entrepreneurs will move their businesses overseas.
So don't worry about it, it will be just like the Copenhagen negotiations, if not worse :) Not to mention that I don't think they have the technical skills to pull it of (the Internet itself was spawned by some of the brightest minds of the 20th century).
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What's the definition of "must" for which the above makes sense? (I'd like govts to consult others, but I recognize they can get away with not doing so.)
[+] [-] Avshalom|16 years ago|reply
No silly me just plain old fashioned Big Brother. Anyone taking bets on the google attacks being a false flag operation?