I live in Alberta (Calgary) so have obviously been following this closely. Two things stand out in the videos.
1. People are still very courteous while evacuating. I imagined it would be people driving across lawns and through parks. Instead most people are driving on the proper side of the street and letting others in.
2. We shouldn't take forest fires for granted and we should evacuate earlier. Tuesday morning this fire was a non story, then without warning people are driving down their street with 60m flames on the sidewalk. And not just a few hold outs, majority of the population came very close to injury or death. Fort McMurray has basically one way in and out (Hwy 63). If it had been blocked in both directors, this would be a much different story.
Fort McMurray evacuee here. One of those Youtube videos is from me. It was indeed apocalyptic to drive through the fire. Watching buildings burning as a fire raged on both sides of the car. Trying to reassure my kids that everything was going to be fine.
We're at a camp in Wandering River now, but unsure of the future.
Wow...horrifying indeed :( For some reason, I found these front-yard bushes casually on fire some of the most dramatic images: https://youtu.be/PCc1FvZ3g0Q?t=134
Probably because that side of the street looks relatively normal except for, you know, that well groomed plant is on fire.
Some of the fires in those videos have a strange purplish or blue glow at their edges. Is that flame burning outside the visible spectrum and can it be seen with the naked eye? Example: https://youtu.be/Fym6X-JvEOs?t=1m8s Or just an artifact of the recording technology?
If it's burning outside the visible spectrum, and the same part isn't also emitting visible light too, then that's really scary - it would mean that every time you see a fire like that, it's actually considerably larger than it seems.
I am curious whether you could see hydrogen burning on a camera like these dashcams.
I did not realize the scope of this fire. The official Canadian disaster database lists the Great Ice Storm of 1998 as the costliest disaster in the nation's history. Adjusted for inflation, that storm caused 4.6 billion in damages. If the estimate in this article is accurate, this fire will be the most expensive natural disaster in Canada's history by a factor of two. It will beat out the combined cost of the top 5 disasters on the list.
> As of May 4, the fire had burned almost 77 square kilometers (7,700 hectares), and its cause was still under investigation. Fire restrictions were in place for most of the province due to hot, dry conditions.
While the cause of this particular fire is still unknown, and there's a whole debate to be had on forest management, the Smokey the Bear PSA is still worthwhile: don't start fires you ain't supposed to. Every year or two in my part of the world there's a decent sized forest fire started by some idiot who couldn't wait for the wet season to burn off his brush.
Fort Mac is really a boom town and it's my understanding that most of the residents of Fort Mac are employed directly or indirectly by oil & gas. Production will certainly be hurting in that area for a while to come.
I think you have that backwards. The way to prevent large forest fires is to regularly have small (preferably controlled) forest fires. Otherwise, forests accumulate undergrowth which makes the inevitable fire even bigger.
I heard this place gets fires pretty often but nothing to this extent yet. Glad they're getting lifted to Edmonton as soon as possible. This reminds me of the Australian wildfire seasons too and how those seem to get out of hand and and go on on for weeks
Reminds me of travelling near a large forest fire in Australia. The sky was covered with smoke such that the middle of the day was almost dark as night. Ash fell from the sky. Pretty scary. Took hours of driving to get away from that.
We were driving east out of Montana when there were bad fires a number of years ago. The sky was lit up but looked black, and we were driving parallel to the mountain range. As the sun set behind the mountains, through the smoke the sun appeared blood red. And after it set behind the peaks, it got really dark.
I don't want photos. I want an article. Tell me why this fire is happening.
Pine beetles? Yes, well so much for investigative reporting, but if you just search for "pine beetles alberta" you will see photos that show the area that is burning was attacked about 10 years ago by pine beetle.
welcome to global warming.
wait a sec... Alberta? Fort McMurray!? I don't believe in karma, but I could change my mind. After all, the alberta tar sands project -- one of the most ecologically destructive projects on the planet is right there in Fort MucMurray.
In 1971, more than half of Alberta’s boreal forest by area was classified as regenerating or young, and a third was “immature.” By 2011 more than 40 per cent had become “mature” and more than 20 per cent “overmature,” a category all but absent earlier.
This change is because of aggressive fire suppression. Before these major wildfire suppression efforts, boreal forests historically burned on an average cycle ranging from 50 to 200 years as a result of lightning and human-caused wildfires.
In 2011, an out of control wild fire burned the town of Slave Lake and four nearby communities. A prescient 2012 Alberta report on that disaster blamed rigorous wildfire suppression, stating:
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due to reduced wildfire activity, forests of Alberta are aging, which ultimately changes ecosystems and is beginning to increase the risk of large and potentially costly catastrophic wildfires.
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Or, one could argue it is the largest cleanup operation on the planet. It would also be correct to state that the greatest lifesaver in Fort Mac is... oil. Cars, trucks, planes, helicopters all being powered by oil to save lives.
I for one am happy we are moving to electric vehicles, but we will face another set of problems dealing with lithium. We also would not be having this conversation if it were not the petrolium industry.
My point is this is a human event, with real lives at stake (my brother being one of them, who managed to escape to Edmonton). Let's leave 'karma' out of this, and move forward to make our world better.
Do you drive, use electricity, refrigeration, or eat meat? Then climate change us just as much your responsibility as a polluter. The oil sands provide the energy you consume and is one of the most environmentally regulated sources of oil in the world. Alberta oil sands also includes incredibly strict employee safety standards regulations and is one of the few major sources of oil not supporting a despotic government.
It's one thing to want to avoid climate change, but be honest in recognizing your complicity in the problem.
Maybe people wouldn't doubt climate change if every single negative thing that happens in nature wasn't attributed to it. Massive burns aren't exactly a new phenomenon.
>wait a sec... Alberta? Fort McMurray!? I don't believe in karma, but I could change my mind.
Karma will get you too. Maybe post here when it does so we can say you deserved it.
The speed that the fire spread is incredible. It seemed just like another forest fire that is near a community we get up in Alberta and British Columbia. The coverage by the National Post shows the fire just creeping around Ft. McMurray on May 2 and 3 and by May 4 a large portion of the town was engulfed. [1] Before and after photos show the burnt homes and buildings like schools. [2]
I live in Edmonton (4.5 hours south of Ft. McMurray) which is taking in a lot of evacuees. It's so heart warming to see so many people rise up and try to help everyone by donating places to sleep, someone put up a website to help facilitate http://www.ymmfire.ca. 2 blocks from my home is a drop off for supplies and all you hear is car horns of support and people waiting to drop off supplies. People drove up the previous days with pickup trucks to bring gasoline and supplies to motorist stranded on the highway. [3]
The most heartwarming of the stories to me is hearing of recent refugees helping out. [4]
“We understand what they’re feeling. When you lose everything, you have to start from zero. You lose your memories, your items. It’s not easy. It’s something very sad. We can totally understand their feeling. We are very thankful to the Canadian people and we want to be a part of this society. We will do our best to be a good part of this society. By doing that, maybe we can return a little bit of the great job that Canadian people did for us”
It feels good to see the support from the newcomers, people in the province and seeing our provincial and federal governments step in with resources and funding to fight the fire and help people.
I built and posted the ymmfire.ca site on Tuesday evening to help the first wave of evacuees driving down. The response of people opening their homes, recreational properties, and spaces has been incredibly overwhelming. We're still helping match people but I've changed things up so I'm not the bottle neck now.
And if you have a site, maybe consider adding a link to donate. I built some low tech copy and paste banners that you can find here: http://ymmfire.ca/redcross
That is a great description. This fire had been raging South of town for a few days. Some southern neighbourhoods were evacuated temporarily.
We woke up on Tuesday and the sky was blue, and the fire was largely contained.
Then it jumped the Athabasca River (which is a kilometre wide). That's when panic set it.
I live in the Thickwood neighbourhood. We went from "hey, better get organized in case we need to evacuate" to "get the hell out now!" in about 20 minutes.
Seeing these photos, watching the videos, you really start to understand how terrible climate change has become and still how much worse it will get if we don't transition faster.
All these natural disasters are really starting to effect us all. We need to act swiftly. Carbon energy must end.
[+] [-] mcmatterson|10 years ago|reply
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fort+mcmurray++...
It's honestly like something straight out of an apocalypse movie. Horrifying.
[+] [-] giarc|10 years ago|reply
1. People are still very courteous while evacuating. I imagined it would be people driving across lawns and through parks. Instead most people are driving on the proper side of the street and letting others in.
2. We shouldn't take forest fires for granted and we should evacuate earlier. Tuesday morning this fire was a non story, then without warning people are driving down their street with 60m flames on the sidewalk. And not just a few hold outs, majority of the population came very close to injury or death. Fort McMurray has basically one way in and out (Hwy 63). If it had been blocked in both directors, this would be a much different story.
[+] [-] mig39|10 years ago|reply
We're at a camp in Wandering River now, but unsure of the future.
[+] [-] fraXis|10 years ago|reply
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-man-wat...
[+] [-] pyre|10 years ago|reply
- http://s1.webmshare.com/m7gd8.webm Russia 2015(?)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPpOXH0ADSg Australia 2003
[+] [-] arcticfox|10 years ago|reply
Probably because that side of the street looks relatively normal except for, you know, that well groomed plant is on fire.
[+] [-] Pyxl101|10 years ago|reply
If it's burning outside the visible spectrum, and the same part isn't also emitting visible light too, then that's really scary - it would mean that every time you see a fire like that, it's actually considerably larger than it seems.
I am curious whether you could see hydrogen burning on a camera like these dashcams.
Edit: This is absolutely crazy. What is going on in this video? https://youtu.be/Fym6X-JvEOs?t=1m59s
[+] [-] randlet|10 years ago|reply
The Canadian government is matching Red Cross donations FWIW [1]
[1] https://donate.redcross.ca/ea-action/action?gclid=CjwKEAjwgb...
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[+] [-] ortusdux|10 years ago|reply
http://cdd.publicsafety.gc.ca/rslts-eng.aspx?cultureCode=en-...
[+] [-] msbarnett|10 years ago|reply
And it's still expected to double in size, again, overnight tonight.
It is, thankfully, being blown away from populated areas at this point in time.
[+] [-] acomjean|10 years ago|reply
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87985
apparently a really hot spring http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87992
[+] [-] saalweachter|10 years ago|reply
While the cause of this particular fire is still unknown, and there's a whole debate to be had on forest management, the Smokey the Bear PSA is still worthwhile: don't start fires you ain't supposed to. Every year or two in my part of the world there's a decent sized forest fire started by some idiot who couldn't wait for the wet season to burn off his brush.
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Now is a good time to discuss this.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/fort-mcmurray-an...
[+] [-] codecamper|10 years ago|reply
Pine beetles? Yes, well so much for investigative reporting, but if you just search for "pine beetles alberta" you will see photos that show the area that is burning was attacked about 10 years ago by pine beetle.
welcome to global warming.
wait a sec... Alberta? Fort McMurray!? I don't believe in karma, but I could change my mind. After all, the alberta tar sands project -- one of the most ecologically destructive projects on the planet is right there in Fort MucMurray.
Amazing
[+] [-] worldvoyageur|10 years ago|reply
This change is because of aggressive fire suppression. Before these major wildfire suppression efforts, boreal forests historically burned on an average cycle ranging from 50 to 200 years as a result of lightning and human-caused wildfires.
In 2011, an out of control wild fire burned the town of Slave Lake and four nearby communities. A prescient 2012 Alberta report on that disaster blamed rigorous wildfire suppression, stating:
" due to reduced wildfire activity, forests of Alberta are aging, which ultimately changes ecosystems and is beginning to increase the risk of large and potentially costly catastrophic wildfires. "
http://wildfire.alberta.ca/wildfire-prevention-enforcement/w...
The report, while 95 pages, makes for compelling and moving reading, even without the context of the ongoing disaster near Fort McMurray.
[+] [-] milesf|10 years ago|reply
I for one am happy we are moving to electric vehicles, but we will face another set of problems dealing with lithium. We also would not be having this conversation if it were not the petrolium industry.
My point is this is a human event, with real lives at stake (my brother being one of them, who managed to escape to Edmonton). Let's leave 'karma' out of this, and move forward to make our world better.
[+] [-] jlos|10 years ago|reply
It's one thing to want to avoid climate change, but be honest in recognizing your complicity in the problem.
[+] [-] forgetsusername|10 years ago|reply
Maybe people wouldn't doubt climate change if every single negative thing that happens in nature wasn't attributed to it. Massive burns aren't exactly a new phenomenon.
>wait a sec... Alberta? Fort McMurray!? I don't believe in karma, but I could change my mind.
Karma will get you too. Maybe post here when it does so we can say you deserved it.
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[+] [-] mitchty|10 years ago|reply
https://weather.com/safety/wildfires/news/fort-mcmurray-wild...
[+] [-] dchmiel|10 years ago|reply
I live in Edmonton (4.5 hours south of Ft. McMurray) which is taking in a lot of evacuees. It's so heart warming to see so many people rise up and try to help everyone by donating places to sleep, someone put up a website to help facilitate http://www.ymmfire.ca. 2 blocks from my home is a drop off for supplies and all you hear is car horns of support and people waiting to drop off supplies. People drove up the previous days with pickup trucks to bring gasoline and supplies to motorist stranded on the highway. [3]
The most heartwarming of the stories to me is hearing of recent refugees helping out. [4]
“We understand what they’re feeling. When you lose everything, you have to start from zero. You lose your memories, your items. It’s not easy. It’s something very sad. We can totally understand their feeling. We are very thankful to the Canadian people and we want to be a part of this society. We will do our best to be a good part of this society. By doing that, maybe we can return a little bit of the great job that Canadian people did for us”
It feels good to see the support from the newcomers, people in the province and seeing our provincial and federal governments step in with resources and funding to fight the fire and help people.
1. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/tracking-the-fort-m...
2. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/see-stunning-before...
3. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/national/inside+fort+mcm...
4. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/understand+what+they+feeling+...
Edits to links.
[+] [-] mackb1991|10 years ago|reply
We're expecting (and hoping) that the highway will stay clear enough for more convoys over the next few days. Please donate to the Red Cross to help the over 80,000 displaced: https://donate.redcross.ca/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=195...
And if you have a site, maybe consider adding a link to donate. I built some low tech copy and paste banners that you can find here: http://ymmfire.ca/redcross
[+] [-] mig39|10 years ago|reply
We woke up on Tuesday and the sky was blue, and the fire was largely contained.
Then it jumped the Athabasca River (which is a kilometre wide). That's when panic set it.
I live in the Thickwood neighbourhood. We went from "hey, better get organized in case we need to evacuate" to "get the hell out now!" in about 20 minutes.
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Getting the Alberta smoke from around Yellowstone is quite impressive and frightening.
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All these natural disasters are really starting to effect us all. We need to act swiftly. Carbon energy must end.
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