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1stop | 9 years ago

I mean this with full empathy for your situation.

It really is that simple.

Several months of eating fewer than 800 calories and not going to the gym at all would result in massive weight loss... except for a very tiny person.

It's not sanctimonious.

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lolo_|9 years ago

I don't want any empathy nor do I have a 'situation' other than being fat :)

I am responsible for being overweight it's totally my fault and responsibility, I make no excuses, I just dislike the often seemingly ideological discussions that result.

I gave some thoughts on why you might be wrong on that in a separate reply... yes basic physics apply, but your ideas of what the energy in and energy out is might not be correct. The body is complicated.

This can be observed by anybody who's dieted with a _strict_ food diary eating precisely the same things + quantities with known calories - weight change can vary surprisingly and significantly without the laws of physics being violated.

The grandparent IS _very_ sanctimonious:

'This while article sounds like a justification for the author not losing weight.

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...there's not much science involved, eat the right stuff and work out.'

I hate this attitude of 'you're just making excuses' vs. overweight people - it's unfalsifiable as you put literally anything down to excuses.

Losing weight is very hard because your body doesn't want you to do it for evolutionary reasons and weird shit happens even when you do everything right.

Sanctimonious blame games are harmful not only because you might just be wrong, but because food is so often a crutch that when dieting you no longer have, and I've found that people tend to come out with the harshest comments when you are dieting and actually trying to fix things, which can be devastating when you literally have no crutch any longer.

Also most of the time the people who make such comments are emphatically _not_ motivated by health concerns, and there's a culture where just being a dick is acceptable in this one area but no others. People don't like you telling them about their personality flaws and how they are just idiots and should stop being such a twat, and it's not socially acceptable, but the exact same approach to overweight-ness is totally acceptable, and does fuck all to help the situation.

TL;DR The VAST majority of dieters fail in the long run, things are more complicated than just dieting and staying at low cals for the long run both physically and psychologically.