Would a senior programmer be ejected from the union when they are promoted to say a project manager? I'm just not sure you can isolate value producers.
> The key question isn't "do they produce value?", it's "can they hire and fire?"
This is traditionally the line that people draw, yes, but I think the reasons for that come from the other end.
That's the thing; the manager who manages the cashiers at the grocery store doesn't have more power than the individual contributor software engineer who writes the software for the registers, not in any reasonable sense. That's not why the the line is traditionally drawn where it is.
The line is traditionally drawn where it is because it is management's job to act as a proxy for the will and interests of the owners, and pretending to do that while being in the same union as the workers would be very difficult, or at the very least, quite awkward.
crdoconnor|9 years ago
Once people acquire power over resources/people the shift from value creation to value extraction is pretty natural.
lsc|9 years ago
This is traditionally the line that people draw, yes, but I think the reasons for that come from the other end.
That's the thing; the manager who manages the cashiers at the grocery store doesn't have more power than the individual contributor software engineer who writes the software for the registers, not in any reasonable sense. That's not why the the line is traditionally drawn where it is.
The line is traditionally drawn where it is because it is management's job to act as a proxy for the will and interests of the owners, and pretending to do that while being in the same union as the workers would be very difficult, or at the very least, quite awkward.