Does soylent include creatine? Its not an essential nutrient but if a human exercises a lot and does not eat meat, creatine levels can get very low. This leads to a lack of energy both mental and physical.
Studies have shown [0] improved mental performance in vegans when supplemented with creatine.
It's currently the sugar-substitute that tastes the best to the most people, so I'm sure that they could replace it with something that would please you, but it would probably displease many more.
Anyone know if there's anything like Soylent but for protein only?
Sometimes I go on a no-carb diet (sometimes to lose weight and sometimes because carbs make me sleepy) and I am too lazy to buy ingredients and cook at home.
I just want soylent, but with 0 carbs. Anyone know?
As someone who very occasionally gets very nervous about something to the point of not wanting to chew, soylent+chocolate powder in a blender bottle is really helpful.
How much chocolate powder do you usually use? I've been trying to experiment with different things to put in mine and haven't thought of chocolate powder before.
I'm amazed the powder is still selling well enough to warrant further development after the release of the drink form. It's it primarily an issue of the drink being too expensive for many?
I quit buying the powder earlier this year, but never considered the drink. I don't want to be tossing a bunch of empty bottles or paying to ship a liquid; it's honestly a little weird that they are prioritizing all this sustainable food stuff but want to truck a prepared liquid to me. The liquid does (or did, not sure now) cost more per kcal and comes in 400kcal bottles, so I would want 4-5 a day; they ship in 12 packs so I would be buying and shipping a lot.
I'm not sure I buy the soy-feminizes-men stuff but it was also at the back of my mind. I don't particularly enjoy other soy things so I was disappointed when they went that route.
I will comment on Soylent as a product, not the 1.6 update specifically, sorry, just want to make a few points (I think some of you are in for a tough ride, just passionate, not my intention to attack anyone personally):
-) psychological value: eating has a great psychological value, it's pleasure (if not, you should eat better food)
-) social value: you probably won't go out with friends to have a glass of Soylent, would you?
-) Arguments about "increased productivity" because of less food preparation are ridiculous... if you can work all day long without needing a break, congratulations, you are everything common sense and science tells me is not possible. We need breaks, regularly, and why not use that to cook something. And cooking doesn't take hours a day.
-) Health: Because the supplement industry is such a thoroughly regulated and well behaving industry? If you believe that, do your research. I want to know what I am eating, and I don't when buying this mix of various powders they most likely buy in themselves. Would you give this crap to your children? Do you think we already have unlocked the key towards the perfect nutrition? (spoiler: no, we haven't, studying this is hard)
-) You can't cook: It's not hard, have you ever really tried? You don't need a Michelin star to cook solid and good food.
-) Unhappy with your current diet? Then change it, why ditch food altogether?
-) Cost, so it's not about productivity or health now, but about saving a few bucks? I doubt you save much if anything at all, it's not that expensive to buy good food, and isn't this mainly marketed towards high income people to begin with? You can afford it.
-) Soylent is revolutionary: It's not, 100% food replacements have been used in medicine for decades (just no one was crazy enough to ditch real food for it if not needed) - you can even buy it, it's far more expensive though than this, and of course I am still not for it as a food replacement for healthy adults.
-) Trust your body: Every body is different, the reason we have cravings for food is because the body tells us what it needs. This can fail us, for example when we eat too much sugar and our blood sugar levels are creating massive cravings for more down the line (I am not making a case for Coca-Cola here though), but all in all, it's an incredibly accurate and needed thermostat. If you eat more, you will ditch your blanket at night subconsciously to burn more calories by cooling down, if you eat less you will feel more cold and not do so. It's downright arrogant to think that some individual having read some studies and reports knows what is absolutely best (besides commonplace arguments like "sugar is bad", "being overweight is incredibly unhealthy", no proper doctor would ever make such bold and arrogant claims)
My opinion: This is part of a not well regulated industry, a repackaged and cleverly marketed mix of food supplements that have been available for decades, sold with incredibly high profit margins. They buy in their stuff, they mix it, prep it up with some nice fancy talk, sell it, and see dollar signs in their eyes.
Everyone should be able to do whatever he wants to as long as he is not harming others. If you think Soylent is great, then by all means, I won't stop you, I am passionate about food and am disgusted just looking at this. If someone thinks this is healthy (spare me your cherry-picked study citations), then - with all due respect - you are delusional
Every time I see a comment like this, I'm amazed at the commenters inability to not take everything to the extreme. YOU CAN EAT SOYLENT AND STILL EAT FOOD. If you don't have much time on your hands, and you want a quick meal, it works really well and is better than, say, McDonalds.
1) Eating isn't pleasure for me 2 to 3 times a day. I eat lunch because I'm hungry. I'll go out and eat a nice meal once or twice a week. You can drink Soylent and still eat food. Everyone is different.
2) You can drink Soylent and still eat food. And I only eat socially a couple times a week anyways.
3) Cooking takes time to prepare, time to fetch ingredients, and time to cleanup. This is a non-negligible amount of time. I'd rather spend 10 minutes total on a meal than 30+ mins.
4) Do you know if everything that goes into every processed food you eat? Do you have verification?
5) You can eat Soylent and still eat food.
6) This clearly isn't about cost.
7) Soylent is evolutionary in the sense that it's one of the first food replacement marketed to consumers that doesn't have a load of sugar in it.
8) Doesn't every company have dollar signs in their eyes? How is that a fault? They're providing a product that people want at a price point people are willing to pay. There isn't much to complain about there.
To me the appeal of Soylent is this: most men are problem solvers. There is a problem that comes up several times a day called "What do I do about hunger?". There are dozens of ways you might solve that problem, but if you are just not interested then having a bottle of Soylent on hand solves it for you handily.
I've stopped drinking Soylent since I found out that it contains more than the recommended amount of soy in a single meal.
Excess soy has been found to "feminize" men [1]. It also "may cause some reversible sexual disruption in men".
Researchers decided the safe amount of soy (isoflavones) in a single day is 75mg [2]. If you drink Soylent as one of three meals in a day, Soylent contains about 87mg (52mg * 5 bottles / 3 meals a day) [3].
I've seen tons and tons of people pointing out that soy contains phytoestrogens but I've never seen a single study that showed that it had any significant effect on an adult male. I have seen studies that have shown no statistical difference between a diet high in phytoestrogens and a normal diet. Here's the abstract of an examination of 9 different clinical studies on the topic: http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstr... . Also, I'd like to point out that your first reference even states that a diet heavy in soy is unlikely to have any harmful effects. It also only provided two anecdotes of men with a hormonal problem and in both of those cases the cause was never determined.
I'd need to see some pretty strong proof before I am convinced that the amount of soy in Soylent is anything to be concerned about.
This is empirically wrong. Soy contains phytoestrogens which have no effect on the human endocrine system. You are more likely to become "feminized" by consuming cow's milk, which contains mammalian estrogen.
This is the first version of the Soylent powder that has any appreciable amount of soy in it. Prior versions used soy lecithin as an emulsifier, but had no other soy.
Synthetic food ad copy: "In addition to sensory and macronutrient improvements, Soylent 1.6 is the first powder iteration to use whole algal flour and high oleic algal oil - innovative ingredients that are yet another step toward sustainable food production. We have also introduced soy protein isolate as the primary protein source, replacing the rice protein. Its benefits include a superior ratio of amino acids for nutrition and smooth digestion. Soy protein is isolated from other components of the whole soy plant and offers an exceptional level of purity from inorganic compounds compared to the rice protein."
Synthetic motor oil ad copy: "Synthetic oil is not only refined but also distilled, purified and broken down into its basic molecules. This process not only removes more impurities from the crude oil but also enables individual molecules in the oil to be tailored to the demands of modern engines. These customized molecules provide higher levels of protection and performance than conventional oils. But the synthetic base oil is only half the story. The correct blend additives must go into the mix to create the oil. Base oil makes up nearly 80% of a motor oil formulation, and additives make up the remaining nearly 20%. The chemically engineered molecules in synthetic base oil have more uniform properties, while the molecules found in conventional base oil differ in shape and levels of impurity."
[+] [-] calebsurfs|9 years ago|reply
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry...
[+] [-] angrow|9 years ago|reply
Luckily, creatine is cheap and mixes easily in a shake, or even just in water.
[+] [-] mytochar|9 years ago|reply
People that don't tend to work out need around 0.8g / kg; but, people that do work out tend to need 1.2-1.4g / kg a day.[1]
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/414351
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Sometimes I go on a no-carb diet (sometimes to lose weight and sometimes because carbs make me sleepy) and I am too lazy to buy ingredients and cook at home.
I just want soylent, but with 0 carbs. Anyone know?
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[+] [-] bfstein|9 years ago|reply
EDIT: Alternatively, you could go on http://blendrunner.com/ which gives a comparison of the various meal-replacement drinks out there.
[+] [-] DanBC|9 years ago|reply
Regular: http://abbottnutrition.com/brands/products/eas-complete-prot...
Carb control: http://abbottnutrition.com/brands/products/advantedge-carb-c...
[+] [-] calebsurfs|9 years ago|reply
http://www.theisopurecompany.com/product/isopurezerocarb.htm...
[+] [-] eltoozero|9 years ago|reply
Great with coconut/almond milk, two scoops shaken.
With water it's like drinking baking flour but makes you want to run through a wall.
[+] [-] zhte415|9 years ago|reply
A large tub, about 5kg, is inexpensive, about $50. Just search on Amazon or eBay.
But, it's a supplement. Can't like on whey alone.
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[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6247552
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9995303
[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7814005
[4]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109371
[5]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6115114
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[+] [-] gnoway|9 years ago|reply
I'm not sure I buy the soy-feminizes-men stuff but it was also at the back of my mind. I don't particularly enjoy other soy things so I was disappointed when they went that route.
[+] [-] clamprecht|9 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] jgalt212|9 years ago|reply
Soylent: How I Ate No Food For 30 Days
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/soylent-how-i-stopped-eatin...
[+] [-] cisstrd|9 years ago|reply
-) psychological value: eating has a great psychological value, it's pleasure (if not, you should eat better food)
-) social value: you probably won't go out with friends to have a glass of Soylent, would you?
-) Arguments about "increased productivity" because of less food preparation are ridiculous... if you can work all day long without needing a break, congratulations, you are everything common sense and science tells me is not possible. We need breaks, regularly, and why not use that to cook something. And cooking doesn't take hours a day.
-) Health: Because the supplement industry is such a thoroughly regulated and well behaving industry? If you believe that, do your research. I want to know what I am eating, and I don't when buying this mix of various powders they most likely buy in themselves. Would you give this crap to your children? Do you think we already have unlocked the key towards the perfect nutrition? (spoiler: no, we haven't, studying this is hard)
-) You can't cook: It's not hard, have you ever really tried? You don't need a Michelin star to cook solid and good food.
-) Unhappy with your current diet? Then change it, why ditch food altogether?
-) Cost, so it's not about productivity or health now, but about saving a few bucks? I doubt you save much if anything at all, it's not that expensive to buy good food, and isn't this mainly marketed towards high income people to begin with? You can afford it.
-) Soylent is revolutionary: It's not, 100% food replacements have been used in medicine for decades (just no one was crazy enough to ditch real food for it if not needed) - you can even buy it, it's far more expensive though than this, and of course I am still not for it as a food replacement for healthy adults.
-) Trust your body: Every body is different, the reason we have cravings for food is because the body tells us what it needs. This can fail us, for example when we eat too much sugar and our blood sugar levels are creating massive cravings for more down the line (I am not making a case for Coca-Cola here though), but all in all, it's an incredibly accurate and needed thermostat. If you eat more, you will ditch your blanket at night subconsciously to burn more calories by cooling down, if you eat less you will feel more cold and not do so. It's downright arrogant to think that some individual having read some studies and reports knows what is absolutely best (besides commonplace arguments like "sugar is bad", "being overweight is incredibly unhealthy", no proper doctor would ever make such bold and arrogant claims)
My opinion: This is part of a not well regulated industry, a repackaged and cleverly marketed mix of food supplements that have been available for decades, sold with incredibly high profit margins. They buy in their stuff, they mix it, prep it up with some nice fancy talk, sell it, and see dollar signs in their eyes.
Everyone should be able to do whatever he wants to as long as he is not harming others. If you think Soylent is great, then by all means, I won't stop you, I am passionate about food and am disgusted just looking at this. If someone thinks this is healthy (spare me your cherry-picked study citations), then - with all due respect - you are delusional
[+] [-] thatswrong0|9 years ago|reply
1) Eating isn't pleasure for me 2 to 3 times a day. I eat lunch because I'm hungry. I'll go out and eat a nice meal once or twice a week. You can drink Soylent and still eat food. Everyone is different.
2) You can drink Soylent and still eat food. And I only eat socially a couple times a week anyways.
3) Cooking takes time to prepare, time to fetch ingredients, and time to cleanup. This is a non-negligible amount of time. I'd rather spend 10 minutes total on a meal than 30+ mins.
4) Do you know if everything that goes into every processed food you eat? Do you have verification?
5) You can eat Soylent and still eat food.
6) This clearly isn't about cost.
7) Soylent is evolutionary in the sense that it's one of the first food replacement marketed to consumers that doesn't have a load of sugar in it.
8) Doesn't every company have dollar signs in their eyes? How is that a fault? They're providing a product that people want at a price point people are willing to pay. There isn't much to complain about there.
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[+] [-] jvkgc|9 years ago|reply
Real food is one of the great joys of life. I can't imagine the state of mind anyone has to be in to not want food. Depressing.
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[+] [-] mkolodny|9 years ago|reply
Excess soy has been found to "feminize" men [1]. It also "may cause some reversible sexual disruption in men".
Researchers decided the safe amount of soy (isoflavones) in a single day is 75mg [2]. If you drink Soylent as one of three meals in a day, Soylent contains about 87mg (52mg * 5 bottles / 3 meals a day) [3].
[1] http://blog.zocdoc.com/does-soy-feminize-men-fact-vs-myth/ [2] https://www.fsc.go.jp/english/evaluationreports/newfoods_sph... [3] https://faq.soylent.com/hc/en-us/articles/205682935-Soy-Prot...
[+] [-] MertsA|9 years ago|reply
I'd need to see some pretty strong proof before I am convinced that the amount of soy in Soylent is anything to be concerned about.
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[+] [-] Animats|9 years ago|reply
Synthetic motor oil ad copy: "Synthetic oil is not only refined but also distilled, purified and broken down into its basic molecules. This process not only removes more impurities from the crude oil but also enables individual molecules in the oil to be tailored to the demands of modern engines. These customized molecules provide higher levels of protection and performance than conventional oils. But the synthetic base oil is only half the story. The correct blend additives must go into the mix to create the oil. Base oil makes up nearly 80% of a motor oil formulation, and additives make up the remaining nearly 20%. The chemically engineered molecules in synthetic base oil have more uniform properties, while the molecules found in conventional base oil differ in shape and levels of impurity."
[+] [-] jey|9 years ago|reply