[sklogic]

> they have a cost associated with them and their misuse makes things worse

Omg. My assessment was correct, after all.

> Hence, they're not objectively superior to anything else

Of course they are.

[59nadir]

> Omg. My assessment was correct, after all.

If your assessment was that I prefer being pragmatic and that I believe most things have a cost, then yes. I think macros can be done right (in Scheme, etc.), but even then they have a potential cost.

> Of course they are.

And this is obviously where we definitely diverge. I think macros are great, but I acknowledge that you can't make that statement without big disclaimers. You don't seem to care about being pragmatic, so for you it's more clear cut.