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cSoze | 9 years ago

Considering that natural selection is generally considered to not operate on post-reproductive phenotype (prime case is antagonistic pleiotropy literature) I consider any conclusion based on these measures pretty suspect. Worse, specific heritability for these traits in this cohort, as far as I can tell, wasn't even estimated. Given that the supplemental says the mean in the literature is 40%, it could very well be sub 20%.

I suspect that selecting only known high effect QTLs would actually not impact your power all that much as it limits the number of tests performed. If you can't see selection at high effect alleles I'm not sure you'll be able to detect them in aggregate either, especially with very noisy phenotype data.

At the end of the day natural selection is a change in allele frequency driven by differences in phenotype. Sure, this maybe was an easy analysis to do given that the data was available, but I don't really see the value.

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aab0|9 years ago

> Considering that natural selection is generally considered to not operate on post-reproductive phenotype (prime case is antagonistic pleiotropy literature) I consider any conclusion based on these measures pretty suspect.

Again, why? Is there any reason to think that late life BMI will inversely correlate with BMI such that the old fat people were actually the skinny young people? If it's just measurement error, then it's no worse than most variables which get used in health or sociology research.

> If you can't see selection at high effect alleles I'm not sure you'll be able to detect them in aggregate either, especially with very noisy phenotype data.

All of these are highly polygenic traits. A 'high effect allele' means explaining 1% or less of variance. Selection on such a trait is going to shift the frequency by a tiny amount. Grossly underpowered individually. You have to consider them jointly. Noisy phenotype makes that more, not less, true.

cSoze|9 years ago

The antagonistic pleiotropy theory actually advocates exactly that inverse correlation, more investment into young years for increased reproductive fitness at the expense of worse later years.

Further, I suspect that number of kids or even just a binary having kids or not would have a direct effect on BMI in old age. More kids > less time to excercise > compounded over many years. There's also a known correlation between educational attainment and number of children in the literature which is generally hypothesized to be causal.

I have concerns about the validity exactly because of the expected tiny effects. Polygenic traits with extremely high heritability (height being the prime example) top out at 10% of variance explained even when considering all alleles. That just highlights the need for better phenotypes and multi generational typing. I think it's Botstein who I've heard advocates for more time points over more replication when given the choice.