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primigenus | 9 years ago
However, if you run Chrome's Accessibility Audit (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/accessibility-deve...) on this page, you get warnings about low contrast for 100+ elements and a link to https://github.com/GoogleChrome/accessibility-developer-tool....
So although you claim black text is harsh on the eyes and gray is more comfortable, it in fact is not - it just makes it harder to read. The very first time you load the page and see black Times New Roman on a white background is actually a better user experience for a larger number of people, purely from the point of view of legibility.
Try having someone with less than stellar eyesight look at this page. Or someone who's trying to read it on a smartphone outside in sunlight or with the brightness of their screen set at less than maximum. Design isn't about what looks nice, it's about what works well - pages that a portion of your audience cannot read don't work well.
antisthenes|9 years ago
As someone with less than perfect vision, I've seen far too many websites embrace the "greyness" in design, employing far too light shades of grey to display their main content.
This is especially evident if using an older monitor with a TN panel. While IPS monitors have become affordable in the last 2-3 years, there was a period of time when they carried a hefty premium, so most consumers are still probably stuck with at least 1 TN panel in their home.
I cannot describe a user experience of reading a low contrast web page on a TN panel as anything but horrible and have had to manually override CSS rules to be able to process the content.
coldpie|9 years ago
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rtcoms|9 years ago
So that more people can spread word about how low contrast/less readable text hinder accessiblity.
Osiris|9 years ago
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CM30|9 years ago
But do you know what else was hard to read?
The code blocks themselves. Because of the syntax highlighting and pastel colours, I had to focus quite a bit to see any of the actual code. It got better with a few more lights on in the room, but someone with below average vision would likely struggle to read much of this page.
epidemian|9 years ago
But after that step the tutorial redefined the text color to #566b78, which is even lighter. I understand that the blue shade is a nice touch, but decreasing the legibility of the text so much is not.
Besides these nitpicks, the article is great though :)
sdegutis|9 years ago
K0nserv|9 years ago
> So although you claim black text is harsh on the eyes and gray is more comfortable, it in fact is not - it just makes it harder to read. The very first time you load the page and see black Times New Roman on a white background is actually a better user experience for a larger number of people, purely from the point of view of legibility.
I'd say this is a half truth. Yes completely black text feels unnatural and a bit off, but done correctly you can pick a color that's still legible without being #000. There is an intersection of legible black on #FFF that's not pure black.
[0] - http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=555&bcol...
[1] - http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=566b78&b...
collinmanderson|9 years ago
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sontek|9 years ago
If I find an article with #000 (or for example... HN comments) I can't sit and read them all at once, I have to go through them in bits and pieces and give me eyes a rest.
sp332|9 years ago
Nadya|9 years ago
White on Black (or Black on White) are generally bad. I prefer the low contrast in my example: http://codepen.io/anon/pen/ZORWRv
Though even the "medium contrast" is much easier on my eyes than default.
zodPod|9 years ago
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sontek|9 years ago
So yes there are some people who will have issues reading what is proposed, there are other people who have a hard time reading what you are proposing.
crispyambulance|9 years ago
While it is reasonable to argue whether #555 is the exact right level or not, the point is you need you need to make the contrast less harsh than black on white. Otherwise its just fugly.
tripzilch|9 years ago
I checked the site and it's absolutely lovely, I was all ready to jump at the occasion and share this link to all my friends who ask me about "design tips" some times (I got a decade of experience on them so I intuit and spot things that are "off" but often it's first this 4 minute stuff that needs fixed), and when he got to the text #555 bit I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOO now I have to send this to all my friends with the caveat 'but please ignore the text #555 bit'" (which will get lost somewhere and we'll end up with more bad contrast sites).
I can say a bit more about this, but since the site is all about "do this!" (no reasoning given) I'll first just say: "don't do that!" :)
The claim that black text is harsh on the eyes is a similarly unfounded-yet-oft-repeated "Designer Wisdom" like that Golden Ratio shit--it's also similar in the way that it's not per se wrong to use it, but like bbq-sauce on pizza/sex, only if you know wtf you're doing, not something to apply willy-nilly without clue or cleverness.
And it's IMHO slightly worse than the Golden Ratio because 1. the Golden Ratio doesn't hurt and 2. the Golden Ratio thing sounds sciencey but is hard to experimentally confirm or refute while anybody can see that black on any screen was never really black to begin with so what are you on about in the first place "never use pure black" (as a designer, I WISH I could use pure black, but we can't, scientists told me only a black hole is really pure black, and you can't paint with those because they're bad for the environment or something), it's a really arbitrary distinction.
As for "don't use pure black", I do that, but the most important rule of design remains:
You have got to know the rules before you break the rules!
And the rule is black on white. Which you can't achieve. So practice on that first. Then you can break it and ask yourself "why am I breaking it?". Personally what I like to do is use a very dark colour like #321 or I don't know, #114 maybe. This way, on a high quality bright and contrast-rich monitor the people with medium-good eyesight get a slightly coloured tone in the blacks that you can use to match the other colours, warm it up, cool it down etc. And for everybody else, it looks like black! I usually do the same for white. And if you use something like redshift (or Flux) it gets all messed up any way, but if you place your blacks/whites slightly off minimum/maximum and you do it in harmony with the other colours, then a transformation like redshift will also leave a lot of that colour harmony in tact. So that's a good reason not to use pure black or pure white. However, upping your blacks all the way to #555, will get a lot of use out of the non-linearities in the blackbody-radiation that redshift emulates and it'll mess up the colours.
Also #555 is 33%! Post-gamma, even! You just threw away one-third of your dynamic range for what reason? Say somethingcontrastsomethingsomething again, I double-dare you. Again, learn to use contrast first, before you decide to get rid of it because you've heard somethingsomething somewhere.
Otherwise, wow this site is absolutely lovely!! :D Let me not understate that!
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