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p4wnc6 | 9 years ago

Same here. When an issue goes unaddressed for a long time, yet the user base clearly needs it to be addressed, there has to be a mechanism by which the user base can make it annoying to the developers who continue to choose not to address it.

Making it annoying for them, e.g. by a constant reminder that many people support some action to be taken, is the whole point. That way, projects can't simply define away critical changes that users have good reason for wanting.

If it's easy for project maintainers to make a dictatorial or unilateral decision to ignore something a large body of users wants, and they can do that without paying any sort of annoyance penalty, it's super bad for the project. The mechanism of user needs no longer steers development priorities.

I see this happen often on projects where someone wants publicity or credit for their work on something open source, and so prioritizes demo-ware aspects of the project, or showy new features, over critical long-term problems, refactoring workflows, or basic utilities that are sorely needed.

Typically there are arguments of the sort, "I'm giving my development time for free, so leave me alone to work only on the aspects that I want" -- and these broadly form the basis of wanting to disallow +1-like pinging, annoying reminder behaviors.

The trouble is no one cares what your motivations are for choosing to contribute to the project. No one who uses the open source project has any reason whatsoever to care that you found some cost/benefit tradeoff to be favorable, for personal reasons, and to motivate you to contribute.

The project ecosystem generally just wants implementers who will prioritize things as-needed by large sections of the user base, and who will not complain if that means they don't get to use their "donated" time to work only on aspects they personally want.

So it creates a natural tension. Getting rid of +1-like pedancy would be bad, IMO, because it puts all of the prioritization power into the hands of the people who are choosing what to do by their mere wants rather than project needs. I'd like there to be a mechanism that penalizes want-pursuit a little more.

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ramblenode|9 years ago

Understand that as the consumer of a FOSS project you are entitled only to terms specified in the license. Usually those do not include free customer support or a guarantee of quality. If you can't or don't want to contribute code you are certainly free to contribute money to help offset the cost of development for features you would like to see. But if you think it's appropriate to harass developers and usurp their development platform in an attempt to squeeze more thankless work out of them, there is something seriously wrong with your world view.

adzicg|9 years ago

> Same here. When an issue goes unaddressed for a long time, yet the user base clearly needs it to be addressed, there has to be a mechanism by which the user base can make it annoying to the developers who continue to choose not to address it.

instead of trying to annoy people who volunteered their own time to build something useful, why not submit a pull request instead? if it's that important to you, invest a bit more into solving the problem than just complaining online.

p4wnc6|9 years ago

That's very unrealistic. I may be a casual user of a tool, while the fix requires deep familiarity with internal parts. The age-old answer of "fix it yourself" is silly, unless project maintainers don't care if what they make actually helps people.

In your comment there again is this mention that the dev time is volunteered, but this is a red herring. The time isn't useful just because it's volunteered. It has to be both volunteered and directed at effort that addresses something people need. If it's volunteered, but not directed at something people need, I think it's perfectly reasonable that they use some mechanism to indicate they feel dev resources aren't being allocated in a satisfactory way.

StavrosK|9 years ago

My specific problem (and the reason for the +1 above) was that I did submit a PR that would be very easy to merge and the maintainer has been sitting on it for months :(