I was really confused when I saw this that the Eve Dev Blogs, https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/, were being posted on HN. For others this is a new programming language called Eve and is completely unrelated to the video game Eve.
What's interesting to me is that the more Eve develops the more it seems to be returning to its LightTable roots. This isn't a bad thing, there's still plenty of life in the LightTable approach, but my impression of Eve before was that it was designed to be a tool that non-programmers would use. Based on this latest blog post, it appears that may be of less importance. I still hope Eve continues to develop in its current direction, I'd like to see how the immediate feedback and flexibility of Eve can continue to be refined.
A programming language that non-programmers can use is like a written language that illiterate people can read: it's an oxymoron. (The minute you can use it, you're a "programmer"; the minute you can read, you're "literate")
To me your comment reads like the infamous "why not use FTP and this hodgepodge of CLI tools" comment on the original Show HN for Dropbox. Eve is trying to bring everything together into a unified, standalone package, with the goal of being more accessible to non-specialist developers (think people who write Excel macros).
I was really hoping to see more happen in line with the interactive database querying tools and demos. Slicing and dicing data, some simple analytics, maybe a little about how to get the data in and out to/from other systems. Something to show that it's almost at a practically usable point - then I'd be on board.
That's the kind of thing I could use now for my projects, but I get the idea that it's not the focus, with this new effort on the programming language. I was really a bit shocked and disappointed to see Flappy Bird to tell the truth, I felt that the project has maybe lost its focus.
After some reflection, it makes some sense, because I guess it's showing how the database is used for state in the background, so it's showing the close integration that's possible. OK cool - now please back to the data exploration/querying/analytics focus!
[+] [-] Dobbs|9 years ago|reply
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Still, I'm skeptical. It seems rather unlikely that implicitly taking a cartesian product of two lists of query results is beginner-friendly.
[+] [-] mej10|9 years ago|reply
It isn't clear to me what Eve offers that those don't.
[+] [-] mintplant|9 years ago|reply
http://www.witheve.com/
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[+] [-] sixbrx|9 years ago|reply
That's the kind of thing I could use now for my projects, but I get the idea that it's not the focus, with this new effort on the programming language. I was really a bit shocked and disappointed to see Flappy Bird to tell the truth, I felt that the project has maybe lost its focus.
After some reflection, it makes some sense, because I guess it's showing how the database is used for state in the background, so it's showing the close integration that's possible. OK cool - now please back to the data exploration/querying/analytics focus!
[+] [-] avindroth|9 years ago|reply
What would I use Eve for?