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sroecker | 9 years ago

Please do not use Telegram. It' closed source and uses some half-baked crypto. Signal is open source and is actually end-to-end encrypted.

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unicornporn|9 years ago

Wire[1] is also an excellent option. Unlike Open Whisper Systems they wont hang you from a tree for building a third party app. Signal wont work without Gapps or Google Play Services on your Android phone and Google Chrome for desktop.

[1] https://wire.com/

codethief|9 years ago

Signal does work with MicroG (https://microg.org/), an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services.

tdkl|9 years ago

I tried Wire after this WhatsApp news came out initially and brought about 10 people (friends/family) to it. They're satisfied how it works.

lmm|9 years ago

Signal is pseudo-open-source but will not allow you to use it except via the closed-source google play services, so I still wouldn't have confidence in it.

glogla|9 years ago

Yes. Also, on what payroll is Moxie now? He was working with Facebook on WhatsApp and then worked with Google on their new messaging app.

codethief|9 years ago

This is incorrect. There is an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services (https://microg.org/) and Signal works beautifully with it.

eggie|9 years ago

Telegrams clients (and the e2e encryption) are open source. For instance: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram

Curious if you know why the crypto is half-baked. Has it been broken?

edit: found Signal server, I think: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server

Nice it's out there. This will help Signal live a long time.

romanovcode|9 years ago

Exactly. Not to mention if it becomes popular it will get sold to megacorp in a heartbeat.

watwatwatwat|9 years ago

I'll give signal another try, last time I couldn't register.

reitanqild|9 years ago

A lot of people here use twitter.

Why must things be provably sure to have any value?

bwindels|9 years ago

No windows phone client :-(