Czech Republic, is supposedly a base of Russia espionage for European Union[1]. There are very close connections between our high-profile politics to people around Putin.[2] My guess is that he will be returned to Russia.
I recommend to read the profile published by Guardian last year on Czech president Milos Zeman.[3]
Unfortunately, our (Czech) president is a big friend with Russia/China etc., he actively pulls strings in the background, so I wouldnt be surprised if this scenario would magically happen, somehow.
Where do you get those check marks from? There is not a single word in the article that has a proof of what he did.
Imagine if Russia captured US citizen in Argentina saying he is American hacker who they think hacked Russian servers, I can imagine the outrage of the US and its European puppets.
Also nytimes is incredibly biased against Russia, I would not trust a single word it says.
No word on who was arrested or who their victims were.
All we have to confirm the story is political posturing from two global superpowers over an arrest in a third country. This sounds like the opening act of a cold war era political struggle. War by proxy, etc.
Can we please not repeat that chapter in history?
Or, if we're going to do so, at least not use hackers as the pawns in this sick game? I'd appreciate at least that much.
“Following the 2012 breach of LinkedIn member information, we have remained actively involved with the FBI’s case to pursue those responsible,” a LinkedIn spokesperson told Motherboard in an email. “We are thankful for the hardwork and dedication of the FBI in its efforts to locate and capture the parties believed to be responsible for this criminal activity.”
>The indictment, unsealed today, alleges that Nikulin, accessed computers belonging to LinkedIn, Dropbox and Formspring, each of which has its headquarters in the San Francisco Bay Area. The indictment further alleges that the defendant accessed the computers without authorization and that he obtained information from the computers. According to the indictment, the defendant also caused damage to computers belonging to a LinkedIn employee and to Formspring by transmitting a program, information, code, or command. Nikulin also is alleged to have used the credentials of LinkedIn and Formspring employees in connection with the computer intrusions. Further, Nikulin is alleged to have engaged in a conspiracy with unnamed co-conspirators to traffic stolen Formspring user credentials. In all, Nikulin is charged with three counts of computer intrusion; two counts of intentional transmission of information, code, or command causing damage to a protected computer; two counts of aggravated identity theft; one count of trafficking in unauthorized access devices; and one count of conspiracy.
Isn't it wrong? A person that is not an US citizen, that has never been to US, will be extradited to USA and will probably be convicted to a 10 or 20 years in prison unless he can afford a lawyer that costs several hundreds dollars per hour (because you have to pay for a "fair" trial in USA) for doing the same things NSA does every day. Since when US courts have jurisdiction over other countries?
Obviously this person's rights for a fair trial are violated.
If he is a Russian citizen, shouldn't he be judged in Russia?
Or should we apply the same rules to American citizens? For example, everyone working is NSA or its contractors can probably be prosecuted for taking part in a conspiracy to break into computer systems and intercepting private communications. Should muslim countries arrest any US tourist that have earlier posted pictures with Allah in Facebook and extradite them to Iran for fair trial by Sharia law? And what about people who develop software to bypass Great Chinese Firewall? Should they be extradited to China? US wanted to get Julian Assange, should not China get its enemies too?
By your logic prosecuting international computer crime wouldn't be possible. How do you expect that to work out in practice?
Also, he was arrested in the Czech Republic, not Russia. The Czech Republic has an extradition treaty with the US that existed long before the Internet did. This isn't rocket appliances, it's how our world's nation state system works. Sure, he probably shouldn't get 20 years and should receive competent legal representation. But to allow anyone to hack computer systems in the US because that person is not a US citizen and not in the US is borderline laughable.
This sounds a lot like a thinly veiled attempt to dump a story about a state sponsored hacker being arrested and possibly extradited back to the US. All we've heard for weeks now is how a group of state sponsored Russian hackers were feeding DNC documents to Wikileaks.
The lack of details and the Russian response just sounds fishy to me.
History has taught us that it is very hard to pull the truth out of Russian response. You have to observe what they are doing and not what they are saying.
So this by itself does not conclude anything. Also not the opposite, or nothing about the other state level actors.
Never mind that the material this (allegedly) hacker exposed indicates rampant collusion and fraud that undermine the U.S. election system. Nope, that doesn't matter. The important thing is to stop the dissemination of the truth.
Wether he ends up extradited or not is largely irrelevant. The US sent the message Russian hackers who are suspects of engaging in cyber warfare better not leave Russia. Russia is trying to counter it and assert its dominance in the region and the Czech Republic is in the uncomfortable middle.
> David Schön, a police spokesman, said on Wednesday that the arrest of the man, whose name has not been released, was not announced immediately “for tactical reasons.”
That's two high-profile "info criminals" in a row given the secret arrest treatment.
> The Russian Embassy in Prague, however, called for the man to be released.
> “We insist that the detained Russian citizen should be transferred to Russia,”
Released or transferred to Russia? And why is the speculation from Janda there - he is no security expert? Where do the suggestions there is a link to DNC hack come from? He could easily be just running a botnet, blackmailing or a thousand other things... Really RT-level article here
Why would it be mad? Because Hitler singled out an ethnic group for extermination in addition to political opponents rather than just killing off political opponents? They both racked up a comparable body-counts of their own people as rulers (well, enough for both to be consider mass-murders, though I understand that Stalin had a high body-count).
Stalin killed far more people than Hitler, and Mao killed far more people than Stalin. I'm not sure where this instinct to give brutal dictators a pass so long as they were leftists comes from, but it makes no sense.
People can imagine all sorts of things, but the US already has solid evidence that Russia is behind a number of US hacks. Not only that, but the US has already said Russia is behind those attacks; it would actually harm their argument if they built a giant PR campaign around this dude, because it would call into question the previous attribution.
I can imagine this going like this:
1. They extradite this guy to the USA.
2. They indict him for hacking, try him, and find him guilty.
3. He serves 4.3 years in federal prison.
4. He is released, returns to Russia, and we never hear about him again.
If your house were secure, the burglar couldn't have gotten in and stolen your stuff. or stabbed you. So... who's fault is it?
(There is a whole other can of worms regarding what counts as "hacking" and what doesn't, but without knowing what the "hacker" actually did we can't really discuss it in this case)
[+] [-] tptacek|9 years ago|reply
Czech Republic a NATO Ally: Check!
Computer Crime Illegal In Czech Republic by Czech Law: Check!
Computer Crime Illegal In European Union: Check!
Bilateral Extradition Treaty Present Between US and Czech Republic: Check!
European Union Recognizes Validity Of Bilateral Extradition Treaties With The US: Check!
I am not clear on the basis of Russia's expectation that they're going to get their hacker back soon.
[+] [-] tomashertus|9 years ago|reply
I recommend to read the profile published by Guardian last year on Czech president Milos Zeman.[3]
[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepubl...
[2] http://praguemonitor.com/2016/08/10/zeman-attend-conference-...
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/15/milos-...
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[+] [-] CiPHPerCoder|9 years ago|reply
That expectation probably has nothing to do with the law or legal means.
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[+] [-] usaphp|9 years ago|reply
Imagine if Russia captured US citizen in Argentina saying he is American hacker who they think hacked Russian servers, I can imagine the outrage of the US and its European puppets.
Also nytimes is incredibly biased against Russia, I would not trust a single word it says.
[+] [-] CiPHPerCoder|9 years ago|reply
All we have to confirm the story is political posturing from two global superpowers over an arrest in a third country. This sounds like the opening act of a cold war era political struggle. War by proxy, etc.
Can we please not repeat that chapter in history?
Or, if we're going to do so, at least not use hackers as the pawns in this sick game? I'd appreciate at least that much.
[+] [-] dmix|9 years ago|reply
Linkedin maybe? This stirred up controversy in the US gov where they might have invested resources in pursuing the attacker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_LinkedIn_hack
Yahoo's discovery of the big intrusion recently was from 2012 but that might have been too recent?
Also Dropbox was hacked in 2012.
[+] [-] r721|9 years ago|reply
UPD "Suspect believed to be tied to massive LinkedIn hack arrested in Prague, sources say; U.S. officials hope to extradite him to U.S."
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/788754540656898049
“Following the 2012 breach of LinkedIn member information, we have remained actively involved with the FBI’s case to pursue those responsible,” a LinkedIn spokesperson told Motherboard in an email. “We are thankful for the hardwork and dedication of the FBI in its efforts to locate and capture the parties believed to be responsible for this criminal activity.”
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-allegedly-responsibl...
[+] [-] r721|9 years ago|reply
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/yevgeniy-nikulin-indicted-hac...
[+] [-] codedokode|9 years ago|reply
Obviously this person's rights for a fair trial are violated.
If he is a Russian citizen, shouldn't he be judged in Russia?
Or should we apply the same rules to American citizens? For example, everyone working is NSA or its contractors can probably be prosecuted for taking part in a conspiracy to break into computer systems and intercepting private communications. Should muslim countries arrest any US tourist that have earlier posted pictures with Allah in Facebook and extradite them to Iran for fair trial by Sharia law? And what about people who develop software to bypass Great Chinese Firewall? Should they be extradited to China? US wanted to get Julian Assange, should not China get its enemies too?
[+] [-] plugger|9 years ago|reply
Also, he was arrested in the Czech Republic, not Russia. The Czech Republic has an extradition treaty with the US that existed long before the Internet did. This isn't rocket appliances, it's how our world's nation state system works. Sure, he probably shouldn't get 20 years and should receive competent legal representation. But to allow anyone to hack computer systems in the US because that person is not a US citizen and not in the US is borderline laughable.
[+] [-] at-fates-hands|9 years ago|reply
The lack of details and the Russian response just sounds fishy to me.
[+] [-] eveningcoffee|9 years ago|reply
History has taught us that it is very hard to pull the truth out of Russian response. You have to observe what they are doing and not what they are saying.
So this by itself does not conclude anything. Also not the opposite, or nothing about the other state level actors.
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via http://www.currenttime.tv/a/russian-hackers-instagram/280642... (in Russian)
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That's two high-profile "info criminals" in a row given the secret arrest treatment.
I can't say I'm a fan.
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> “We insist that the detained Russian citizen should be transferred to Russia,”
Released or transferred to Russia? And why is the speculation from Janda there - he is no security expert? Where do the suggestions there is a link to DNC hack come from? He could easily be just running a botnet, blackmailing or a thousand other things... Really RT-level article here
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They are perfectly comparable.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-... http://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/
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[+] [-] tptacek|9 years ago|reply
I can imagine this going like this:
1. They extradite this guy to the USA.
2. They indict him for hacking, try him, and find him guilty.
3. He serves 4.3 years in federal prison.
4. He is released, returns to Russia, and we never hear about him again.
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(There is a whole other can of worms regarding what counts as "hacking" and what doesn't, but without knowing what the "hacker" actually did we can't really discuss it in this case)
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