As a professional software dev/system architect using MacBook Pro's, I am excited about the new MacBook Pro. I'll miss the SD card for my amateur photography, but I'll live.
It's still got the 3.5mm for my headphones, with USB-C hopefully daisy chaining non Apple displays will finally become a reality, and thankfully my work has upgraded to using wireless technology for displaying screens in conference rooms (which works from OS X and Windows).
The new context sensitive function bar is going to take some getting used to, but I have been using Caps lock for escape for years now and OS X just got native support for mapping that.
Grabbed a USB-C to lightning cable while I was at it. Now I can just bring a single charger and charge either my Mac or my iPhone or both at the same time. I rarely use USB drives, so unfortunately I'll need a dongle for that, but it's not that big of a deal.
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I am more sad that there was no announcement for the Mac Pro/Mac Mini. Also no Apple display, instead handing that to LG, so it looks like Apple is pulling out of the desktop market (I wonder how long the iMac will last).
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Edit: There is one thing I will miss, and that is MagSafe. It has saved my laptop many a time in it's lifetime. I am hoping Apple builds a USB-C to MagSafe cable that provides the same functionality to save laptops from a tripping hazard.
Very strange. What are Vim users going to do without the ESC key? Ctrl-c and ctrl-[ don't work in some Vim emulation tools or for browser extensions that provide Vim keybindings.
Function keys are important for some things. F1 (help), F5 (reload page), F11 (full screen), F12 (browser dev tools), shift-F2 (Firefox terminal), alt-F4 (close window), etc..
I almost bought a Macbook in August, but I decided to get a Thinkpad 460 instead. I deleted Windows 10 and installed Ubuntu 16.04. The Thinkpad was $1,000 cheaper than the Macbook and has better specs (24 Gb RAM), except for the screen. The screen on the Thinkpad is better in one way though: it has a matte finish, so there is less glare. There is also a middle button on the touchpad, which is great for copy/paste in Linux.
Hearing about the missing ESC key makes me very happy that I didn't switch to Mac.
Edit: I see that there is a touchbar, but I have a fully touchscreen keyboard, and it's impossible to type without looking at it. A touchbar seems like it would be less efficient than keys. Keys are programmable too, while still providing reference for your fingers.
I was also scared about the removal of MagSafe when I first got my Macbook 12", but in reality what happens when you trip on your power cable is that it will come out from the plug in the wall since the cable is not attached to the transformer.
I think the real "killer feature" of this screen will be distracting the user. I already experience this with my phone lighting up when it's lying at the bottom of my screen.
What a whiney, content-free blog post. The author complains about removing the function keys, MagSafe, HDMI, SD Card and the escape key but doesn't give any examples of how they used those in the past or how those features' absence will cripple their workflow.
Here are my thoughts:
Removing the function keys and replacing them with the touch bar is a step up. The function keys have been annoyingly inconsistent on macOS for a few years now, most programs don't make use of them like they could because by default you need to use an awkward chord with the fn key.
The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win, but having proper context sensitive keys will be huge for discoverability and ease of use.
RIP MagSafe - it was such a great design. I would have kept it and ditched a thunderbolt port, but that's just me.
Having HDMI built-in was pretty good for connecting to projectors, but HDMI doesn't support many screen modes and is pretty out-dated these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.
SD Card readers are also not used much these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.
Lots of people are moaning about the escape key like it is their favorite member of One Direction. My guess is that the escape key will be available (as a touch bar icon) in any application that actually needs it.
I am not in the market for a new MacBook Pro, but I can see the appeal.
> The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win
Interesting. Every other laptop has one these days, but I haven't really seen people using it much. It seems more like a gimmick.
Fingerprint scanner on a phone makes more sense, because it lets you to unlock it almost as quickly as if you didn't have any lockscreen security, which is a big convenience.
I work in an office of about 100 people and 8 meeting rooms. In each room is a tv or projector. Every room has a hdmi > DisplayPort adaptor. We have tried about 15 different adaptors. Every single one will break down within half a year to a year. Or sooner.
I've never had a single problem plugging in HDMI directly.
> SD Card readers are also not used much these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.
Photographers. Photographers were still using that.
You know what my mid 2009 MBP can still do? Pull images from my DSLR while charging while plugged into a wired network, transferring them to an external hard drive under the command of an external mouse and keyboard, using an external display. No daisy chaining required, and the cabling is only a minor disaster!
(If I bought a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, I'd be using zero USB ports for any of this. External disk is Firewire.)
I LOVE Apple products! I treasure Iphone and it's safe and fun ecosysten. I love the simplicity of OSX. I love the professional appearance of a Macbook Pro... as a user. Or as an observer even.
Because professionally, I've been on Windows, Linux and Android for years. And with Windows where it's at now, I've never been more productive.
Just can't seem to get that across to my Apple-friends and Apple-coworkers.
A maxxed out MBP costs €5000, which is $5447.95. And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, hdmi, magsafe, sd-card or usb. And you don't get tactile escape keys or function keys. Or Nvidia. Or even an OpenGL implementation from this decade! This show is over :(
That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro)
> which is $5447.95.
Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.
> *And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, ...
This my biggest issue with the MBP. WTF are they thinking here?! Why didn't the iPhone7 port get switched to USB-C from lightning if they knew the MBP was going to USB-C/TB3? The whole point of Apple products is that they work better the more of them you have.
Not an Apple fan by any means but I've just gotten tired of the poor build quality of Windows laptops and terrible battery life year after year. So I've been patiently waiting to upgrade my 3-years-old XPS to a MBP. Heard that the price range will likely be fairly close to the old generation of MBP. Well, what i saw today is just too cost-prohibitive for very little reason. I'm now hoping that Surface Book or the new XPS are worth the money.
I wager that most posts headlining something like "[Corporate Entity], this time you [past tense verb]" after an announcement of [Corporate Entity] are of relatively poor quality.
I think there are a lot of legit complaints about the new announcements and lack of improvements, but this post seems pretty weak. Fn keys aren't really gone, they're just present in another form (the touch bar). The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports, and just plugs into the new one. Sure, a little annoying, but it doesn't exactly kill your workflow.
> The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports
And the keikaku[0] is quite obviously to provide incentive for accessory manufacturers to build type-c native stuff, and eventually have an all-type-c ecosystem and little to no need for "dongles" (which incidentally should mostly be basic cables)
I'm genuinely amazed every time there's an Apple keynote and people act this surprised. With every major new release Apple has been taking away legacy and pushing forward, often compromising compatibility.
forward to what ? design over usability ? surely you understand why a lot of people are pissed off. The touch bar is a gimmick, the lack of inputs make the MBP only PRO in name, this isn't a "PRO" machine. This is just a Macbook air rebranded as Pro. But to understand that you need to be able to read through Apple's bullshit, which is hard for Apple fans that see the brand as part of their own identity.
FFS, they didn't remove the F-keys, you can still have F-keys if you want...and they made all the ports do everything. They removed the card reader. Whiny posts by people who didn't even pay attention are more annoying than Apple.
If you say (in effect) "The latest macbooks would mess with details of my high-end pro workflow...so I'm thinking of switching to Linux" you either live in the terminal or you're not really thinking this through.
That's a pretty outdated viewpoint. Linux has been my professional platform for 6 years, and I find it to be vastly superior to Windows or Mac. The short time I had to use OS X for iOS development was very painful.
I have two problems with the new keyboard/touch bar layout. One, the ESC key is not on the far left of the touch bar - it ignores the "Mile High Menubar" concept. Now instead of just reaching up and blindly smashing the top-most left-most key on the keyboard, I have to look down to find the ESC key that's close to, but not quite in, the upper lefthand corner of the keyboard area.
The other problem is that they left in the Fn key. Why would I need a Fn key when I have a touch bar? Maybe we can map ESC to the Fn key. :/
I've been noticing a trend toward linux among devs for a while now, so this will just hasten that. The lenovos are really sweet with linux, as an example, and I'm seeing them increasingly at programming events.
Apple has been moving it's product line towards catering to the idiocracy, anyways, so it's not surprise. Add to that the increasing loss of interest in iphone and devs moving to android, in spite of all it's problems, and you have a sea shift.
I think it's been an interesting dichotomy all along. There were the consumer apple products, and the professional ones. The professional products were used to build for the consumer ones. I think Jobs really understood the need to have a two pronged approach in this way. It seems that new management now is trying to unify it all, and the wind up is that apple will no longer be the cool dev's choice, and the result will be a rapidly declining ecosystem, offering, popularity, and, finally, revenue.
I have to agree on all points. As a vim addict losing the ESC key is bad, although I've been trying to re-learn to use ctrl-[ instead which is more ergonomic anyway. Touch bar for volume, brightness, etc. is going to take some getting used to.
As for losing the ports -- seems like a great opportunity for someone to come up with an all-in-one usb-C to SD, HDMI, VGA, DVI, USB3, etc. Wouldn't need to be very big or expensive...
Even so, the old macbooks and macbook airs with SD slots could be "upgraded" with a low-profile SD card that is left in all the time. This series of macbook pros appears to be completely bereft of renegade upgrade opportunities.
I use a mac now, and like the tight integration with ipad and iphone, but unless they come out with a better macbook that restores some of what has been taken away my next laptop will likely be running Linux.
I am really concerned about where the whole mac train goes.
It is so clear they did not consider touch-typists when they designed touch bar. They could have used textured glass to cover it, or aligned its keys to 0-9 row, or added haptic feedback, or at least kept 2 options for keyboard as they did with 13 inch model.
Seeing Craig Federighi when he tried his best to show the demo was hilarious. Is it how they see professionals working in the next decade? It turned out that Microsoft has better understanding of it. At least is see Surface Dial being used.
I can cover that ugly "MacBook Pro" branding by duct tape. I can buy dongles for SD/HDMI and magsafe-like USB-C cable. But... the whole story of giving up on professionals seems to be unforgettable.
I agree. I have no plans on upgrading my MacBook Pro (2015). I'm very forgetful, so I know that I'd lose any adapter dongles due to the USB-C/Thunderbolt ports replacing everything else.
Well, it makes it easy to save a few thousand dollars this year.
17" screen + powerful GPU doesn't leave too many sleek options a la macbook. But if you look towards gaming laptops you'll find plentiful options.
Ubuntu might be a little more difficult, depends on driver support I suppose. Most come with either no OS or Windows.
Here's a search for 17" + 1060/1070 + 4k. I'd probably stick with 1060 to keep some sort of handle on heat management unless you really need more. I've had a good experience ordering from here in the past (Sager NP8660, great machine with an unfortunately large power brick).
Typing this from my maxxed-out surface pro 4, in tablet mode, while I do sketching on the couch, after having done some pretty intense Visual Studio Typescript debugging. I would recommand this to anybody. <3
I'm pretty ambivalent about everything but the usb ports. I get they its an overloaded standard and probably needs a replacement, but its a lot to give up in the name of progress...
The hard fact is that there's still a LOT of usb devices out there. Even one USB port would greatly alleviate the pain.
If they don't include a usbc->usb+hdmi adapter in the box, it's going to be extremely painful for users with workstations who find out that their peripherals don't work.
That's what people said when the very first iMac replaced ADB and Mini-DIN8 with USB ports. This isn't even exactly replacing the USB standard, just the connector type. USB1/2/3 devices will still work, you just need a Type-A to Type-C adapter; much simpler than, say, Thunderbolt to FireWire. The best outcome will be a "rip off the Band-Aid" approach with everyone else adopting USB Type-C (or Thunderbolt 3) as quickly as possible.
I can't wait to have a macbook pro with unlimited energy and slim as a piece of paper... (read I'm pretty sure the next upgrade is gonna be a "batteryless" laptop)
> function keys, MagSafe, HDMI, SD Card AND the Escape key
I'm an HDMI guy too, SD cards are great, and MagSafe has saved my bacon more than once. But the function keys are being transformed into something a bit more interactive and app-specific, and if you need Escape in a terminal emulator, Ctrl-] has been around just about forever.
I think Apple's doing something new and interesting with function keys.
(But I agree, I'm not sure I agree with their all-in strategy on Thunderbolt/USB-C either.)
While it's nice that Unix systems have an alternative (^]), many people don't know about that, and you'd probably be hard pressed to find anyone who prefers it over just <Esc>.
> But I agree, I'm not sure I agree with their all-in strategy on Thunderbolt/USB-C either
Same thing people said when they went all-in on USB 1.0. It will be rough for some people for a while but the new port has some obvious benefits. In two years everyone will take it for granted that most new laptops/desktops come with at least some USB C ports.
While I appreciate USB-C, it's still too early to go USB-C only, especially on a "professional" laptop. And, the transition to lightning headphones is a glaring example of the left hand SOMEHOW not being aware of what the right hand is doing.
Plus, the touch bar sucks. Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool.
That's how Apple does things. When they see something new that they want to push, they jump on it even if it seems premature. Before long, they're just ahead of the curve.
1998 seemed too early to go USB-only, but it turned out to be a great move. And that was a situation where you often needed all-new peripherals, versus this machine where you just need a cheap adapter or a new cable.
It does seem odd to have only one kind of port. That said, you can also look at it as "you only need one kind of port". No need to mix and match adapters. Just X to TB3.
As for too early, it's a chicken-egg thing. Someone is going to be early to market, and the market needs pressure to make the change.
"Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool."
I agree that force touch would be great. I think this is an iteration thing that we'll see in the future.
As for indentations, yeah, it would be nice to have something to know where one key ends and the next begins. It does limit flexibility though. And it's also a screen, not just a keyboard. Not sure how the indentations would work with the display.
a) you haven't used the Touch Bar. Seems a tad early to conclude that it sucks.
b) what transition to Lightning headphones? The MacBook Pro keeps the old headphone jack. Do your homework before reflexively criticizing, please.
Apple only cares about impressing Apple newbies who walk into their stores, and this laptop is a prime example of that attitude. They haven't given half a damn about power users, enterprise users, or developers since Steve died. It's all about the bling now.
Serious question: how will us vim users get by w/o physical escape key? If it's just a touch in the same position as old physical key, I think it'll be fine (may actually be nice, as it will _feel_ different, for a very special key).
I never thought I could move to a touch only phone because I do a lot of "proper" typing on my phone, which is why I stuck to my Blackberry until my first iPhone which was a 5 (yes that long). Which is to say, I don't think we will miss the tactile escape and function keys. And same goes for dedicated HDMI port and microsd card slot (seriously how often does one use the latter)
Remember when apple got rid of the floppy drive and then the disk drive? Do we still complain about those?
Headphone jack on iPhone is a different concern, since bluetooth headphones are still not as ubiquitous and having something else to charge a headache.
But none of these concerns (except for maybe the absence of Magsafe) is really a dealbreaker.
"it’s not like I can buy laptops with MacOS (which I’m completely addicted to) from someone else." <- No, you can. Just check Microsoft Surface Pro running macOS ;)
I see a lot of comments about apple getting rid of USB. Thats not exactly true at all. They have removed the USB-A ports and replaced them with the updated USB-C ports. Which also double as charging ports, thunderbolt ports, and HDMI (with a dongle yes). I think its dishonest to say they did away with USB because they haven't they have done away with the port you are used to. Doesn't mean USB is gone. Its still there with a better connector!
If your a professional using your computer all day, then you shouldn't be using the crappy built-in keyboard or crappy built-in display in the first place. The Macbook is your computer - add the display and keyboard and mouse that make you productive.
SysArchitect|9 years ago
It's still got the 3.5mm for my headphones, with USB-C hopefully daisy chaining non Apple displays will finally become a reality, and thankfully my work has upgraded to using wireless technology for displaying screens in conference rooms (which works from OS X and Windows).
The new context sensitive function bar is going to take some getting used to, but I have been using Caps lock for escape for years now and OS X just got native support for mapping that.
Grabbed a USB-C to lightning cable while I was at it. Now I can just bring a single charger and charge either my Mac or my iPhone or both at the same time. I rarely use USB drives, so unfortunately I'll need a dongle for that, but it's not that big of a deal.
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I am more sad that there was no announcement for the Mac Pro/Mac Mini. Also no Apple display, instead handing that to LG, so it looks like Apple is pulling out of the desktop market (I wonder how long the iMac will last).
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Edit: There is one thing I will miss, and that is MagSafe. It has saved my laptop many a time in it's lifetime. I am hoping Apple builds a USB-C to MagSafe cable that provides the same functionality to save laptops from a tripping hazard.
JoshMnem|9 years ago
Function keys are important for some things. F1 (help), F5 (reload page), F11 (full screen), F12 (browser dev tools), shift-F2 (Firefox terminal), alt-F4 (close window), etc..
I almost bought a Macbook in August, but I decided to get a Thinkpad 460 instead. I deleted Windows 10 and installed Ubuntu 16.04. The Thinkpad was $1,000 cheaper than the Macbook and has better specs (24 Gb RAM), except for the screen. The screen on the Thinkpad is better in one way though: it has a matte finish, so there is less glare. There is also a middle button on the touchpad, which is great for copy/paste in Linux.
Hearing about the missing ESC key makes me very happy that I didn't switch to Mac.
Edit: I see that there is a touchbar, but I have a fully touchscreen keyboard, and it's impossible to type without looking at it. A touchbar seems like it would be less efficient than keys. Keys are programmable too, while still providing reference for your fingers.
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randomsofr|9 years ago
I didn't knew people were doing that :O, whats the benefit?, and how do you turn on caps?
AndrewStephens|9 years ago
Here are my thoughts:
Removing the function keys and replacing them with the touch bar is a step up. The function keys have been annoyingly inconsistent on macOS for a few years now, most programs don't make use of them like they could because by default you need to use an awkward chord with the fn key.
The addition of the fingerprint scanner alone is a win, but having proper context sensitive keys will be huge for discoverability and ease of use.
RIP MagSafe - it was such a great design. I would have kept it and ditched a thunderbolt port, but that's just me.
Having HDMI built-in was pretty good for connecting to projectors, but HDMI doesn't support many screen modes and is pretty out-dated these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.
SD Card readers are also not used much these days. Buy a $10 adaptor if you need it.
Lots of people are moaning about the escape key like it is their favorite member of One Direction. My guess is that the escape key will be available (as a touch bar icon) in any application that actually needs it.
I am not in the market for a new MacBook Pro, but I can see the appeal.
TeMPOraL|9 years ago
Interesting. Every other laptop has one these days, but I haven't really seen people using it much. It seems more like a gimmick.
Fingerprint scanner on a phone makes more sense, because it lets you to unlock it almost as quickly as if you didn't have any lockscreen security, which is a big convenience.
deanclatworthy|9 years ago
I've never had a single problem plugging in HDMI directly.
falcolas|9 years ago
I think security minded folks in IT are not going to be thrilled with these. A fingerprint being an identifier, not a authenticator and all that.
1_2__3|9 years ago
jitbit|9 years ago
NOW I HAVE LOOK AT THE KEYBOARD.
For example, as a developer I press the ESC button zillion times a day. I'm used to "upper-left corner is cancel/close/undo".
Now with the new touchbar it can have an "OK" there. Or "Done". Or "edit". It's up to a developer now.
LnxPrgr3|9 years ago
Photographers. Photographers were still using that.
You know what my mid 2009 MBP can still do? Pull images from my DSLR while charging while plugged into a wired network, transferring them to an external hard drive under the command of an external mouse and keyboard, using an external display. No daisy chaining required, and the cabling is only a minor disaster!
(If I bought a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, I'd be using zero USB ports for any of this. External disk is Firewire.)
santaclaus|9 years ago
1Password is going to rock on this machine.
neals|9 years ago
Because professionally, I've been on Windows, Linux and Android for years. And with Windows where it's at now, I've never been more productive.
Just can't seem to get that across to my Apple-friends and Apple-coworkers.
jaxondu|9 years ago
One reason I'm stuck with Mac is the need to use it for iOS app development.
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masklinn|9 years ago
That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro)
> which is $5447.95.
Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.
jobu|9 years ago
This my biggest issue with the MBP. WTF are they thinking here?! Why didn't the iPhone7 port get switched to USB-C from lightning if they knew the MBP was going to USB-C/TB3? The whole point of Apple products is that they work better the more of them you have.
sakopov|9 years ago
pavlov|9 years ago
The rest of your points stand though.
MBCook|9 years ago
This is a low quality post.
Mithaldu|9 years ago
Good demonstration.
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masklinn|9 years ago
And the keikaku[0] is quite obviously to provide incentive for accessory manufacturers to build type-c native stuff, and eventually have an all-type-c ecosystem and little to no need for "dongles" (which incidentally should mostly be basic cables)
[0] keikaku means plan
tinbad|9 years ago
aikah|9 years ago
forward to what ? design over usability ? surely you understand why a lot of people are pissed off. The touch bar is a gimmick, the lack of inputs make the MBP only PRO in name, this isn't a "PRO" machine. This is just a Macbook air rebranded as Pro. But to understand that you need to be able to read through Apple's bullshit, which is hard for Apple fans that see the brand as part of their own identity.
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Corrado|9 years ago
The other problem is that they left in the Fn key. Why would I need a Fn key when I have a touch bar? Maybe we can map ESC to the Fn key. :/
JoelBennett|9 years ago
I always thought it was a smart design. It seems kind of silly to remove it.
grzm|9 years ago
joeevans1000|9 years ago
Apple has been moving it's product line towards catering to the idiocracy, anyways, so it's not surprise. Add to that the increasing loss of interest in iphone and devs moving to android, in spite of all it's problems, and you have a sea shift.
I think it's been an interesting dichotomy all along. There were the consumer apple products, and the professional ones. The professional products were used to build for the consumer ones. I think Jobs really understood the need to have a two pronged approach in this way. It seems that new management now is trying to unify it all, and the wind up is that apple will no longer be the cool dev's choice, and the result will be a rapidly declining ecosystem, offering, popularity, and, finally, revenue.
steve1969|9 years ago
As for losing the ports -- seems like a great opportunity for someone to come up with an all-in-one usb-C to SD, HDMI, VGA, DVI, USB3, etc. Wouldn't need to be very big or expensive...
Even so, the old macbooks and macbook airs with SD slots could be "upgraded" with a low-profile SD card that is left in all the time. This series of macbook pros appears to be completely bereft of renegade upgrade opportunities.
I use a mac now, and like the tight integration with ipad and iphone, but unless they come out with a better macbook that restores some of what has been taken away my next laptop will likely be running Linux.
hokvel|9 years ago
It is so clear they did not consider touch-typists when they designed touch bar. They could have used textured glass to cover it, or aligned its keys to 0-9 row, or added haptic feedback, or at least kept 2 options for keyboard as they did with 13 inch model.
Seeing Craig Federighi when he tried his best to show the demo was hilarious. Is it how they see professionals working in the next decade? It turned out that Microsoft has better understanding of it. At least is see Surface Dial being used.
I can cover that ugly "MacBook Pro" branding by duct tape. I can buy dongles for SD/HDMI and magsafe-like USB-C cable. But... the whole story of giving up on professionals seems to be unforgettable.
Osiris|9 years ago
Well, it makes it easy to save a few thousand dollars this year.
malux85|9 years ago
I would like 17inch screen, and runs Ubuntu ... bonus for NVidia GPU - I deep learn in the cloud but having a GPU to test on would be great.
Anybody know of this mythical unicorn?
striking|9 years ago
17in 4K IPS display, desktop-equivalent GTX 980.
treehau5|9 years ago
shadowflit|9 years ago
Ubuntu might be a little more difficult, depends on driver support I suppose. Most come with either no OS or Windows.
Here's a search for 17" + 1060/1070 + 4k. I'd probably stick with 1060 to keep some sort of handle on heat management unless you really need more. I've had a good experience ordering from here in the past (Sager NP8660, great machine with an unfortunately large power brick).
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-gamin...
basch|9 years ago
Precision 17 7000 Series (7710) http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-m7710-workstatio...
ZBook 17 ? http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/zbook-17.html
take note that these all have Quadro cards, not their lower end GForce cards.
neals|9 years ago
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fullofit|9 years ago
Has a desktop Geforce 1080 in it, mechanical keyboard, Gsync display... drool.
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tekklloneer|9 years ago
If they don't include a usbc->usb+hdmi adapter in the box, it's going to be extremely painful for users with workstations who find out that their peripherals don't work.
extra88|9 years ago
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striking|9 years ago
I'm an HDMI guy too, SD cards are great, and MagSafe has saved my bacon more than once. But the function keys are being transformed into something a bit more interactive and app-specific, and if you need Escape in a terminal emulator, Ctrl-] has been around just about forever.
I think Apple's doing something new and interesting with function keys.
(But I agree, I'm not sure I agree with their all-in strategy on Thunderbolt/USB-C either.)
verandaguy|9 years ago
MBCook|9 years ago
Same thing people said when they went all-in on USB 1.0. It will be rough for some people for a while but the new port has some obvious benefits. In two years everyone will take it for granted that most new laptops/desktops come with at least some USB C ports.
fencepost|9 years ago
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tekklloneer|9 years ago
Plus, the touch bar sucks. Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool.
mikeash|9 years ago
1998 seemed too early to go USB-only, but it turned out to be a great move. And that was a situation where you often needed all-new peripherals, versus this machine where you just need a cheap adapter or a new cable.
grzm|9 years ago
It does seem odd to have only one kind of port. That said, you can also look at it as "you only need one kind of port". No need to mix and match adapters. Just X to TB3.
As for too early, it's a chicken-egg thing. Someone is going to be early to market, and the market needs pressure to make the change.
"Compensating with indentations and force touch could have made it an amazing and useful tool."
I agree that force touch would be great. I think this is an iteration thing that we'll see in the future.
As for indentations, yeah, it would be nice to have something to know where one key ends and the next begins. It does limit flexibility though. And it's also a screen, not just a keyboard. Not sure how the indentations would work with the display.
Bud|9 years ago
dandare|9 years ago
https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=mac...
grzm|9 years ago
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techtivist|9 years ago
Remember when apple got rid of the floppy drive and then the disk drive? Do we still complain about those?
Headphone jack on iPhone is a different concern, since bluetooth headphones are still not as ubiquitous and having something else to charge a headache.
But none of these concerns (except for maybe the absence of Magsafe) is really a dealbreaker.
Lidador|9 years ago
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masklinn|9 years ago
No, they put 4 instead of the old 2, and they quadruple up as charging, video and high-speed interconnect.