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Caballera | 9 years ago

The escape key is still there, it's on the Touch Bar, I have no issues with using it, and I haven't had to re-map it. Also you can hit the 'fn' key and the 'Function' bar and escape key will appear while using any other 'app' that changes the Touch Bar.

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51Cards|9 years ago

The prime issue is lack of tactile feedback. I wrote quite a bit about this in a previous comment, in that we "touch type" because we get feedback from our fingers. Implementing a "keyboard" interface that requires a change of visual focus is not a good UI practice.

eridius|9 years ago

In your comment 25 days ago, you stated that the problem is the layout of the Touch Bar changes regularly, therefore you need to look at it. But this doesn't make sense for the Esc key, because the Esc key is always in the same place on the Touch Bar (and is always available while you're typing).

Lio|9 years ago

Does it toggle or is only when the fn key is held?

If it's only whilst the key is held it effectively means you'd have to use your right hand to press the escape key ...which doesn't sound ideal to me.

eridius|9 years ago

Esc is always available while you're typing (and usually available when you're not). Holding Fn is for getting at the F-keys, not for getting at Esc (though it can be used for getting at Esc too if you're in a context that normally hides that key).

sergiosgc|9 years ago

I have a Lenovo x1c with an oled touch bar. In the x1c it has function keys. It's a terrible solution. No tactile feedback is a deal breaker.

Lenovo backtracked, and subsequent generations lost the "touch bar" and use regular keys.

r00fus|9 years ago

Implementation details matter. This is one area where Apple has often excelled where others have failed.

hackcrafter|9 years ago

I've been wondering about this.

Does the 'fn' key force-change the touchbar to display F1-F12?

If so, then I don't understand the folks bemoaning the lack of physical "function keys" from their apps, which I assume they mean that they use the F(n) keys, since the mechanics of this are the same.

I'm a fast touch typist, but have never have hit F(n) keys accurately without glancing at the keyboard when I do use them, so I assume I would have no problem with the TouchBar based F keys.

kfinley|9 years ago

> Does the 'fn' key force-change the touchbar to display F1-F12?

Yes it does

oneeyedpigeon|9 years ago

Was it not a problem getting used to it being in a different position? How do you find pressing a key with no physical presence - do you have to look down at it, or are you just used to it now?