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Inside a Fake News Sausage Factory: ‘This Is All About Income’

17 points| aaronbrethorst | 9 years ago |nytimes.com | reply

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[+] apatters|9 years ago|reply
While I don't doubt that fake news is widely shared on Facebook, blaming the outcome of the election on it seems like a convenient way to dismiss the preferences of tens of millions of voters. It seems like there's a real effort right now to show or at least insinuate that fake news is the reason Trump won.

There are so many disturbing things about that narrative I don't know where to begin. It would require a profoundly dumber US population than I believe exists. It would imply very cynical things about the US education system which don't mirror my experience growing up there (I have seen truly bad education systems overseas, and while the US could use some work, it's a paragon compared to some others). It would require the conservatives to be much dumber than the liberals, which just sounds like bigotry and arrogance to me. It essentially dismisses the concerns held by Trump's supporters--who are fellow Americans after all--which only widens the growing divide in the electorate. And finally if you believe this idea that fake news is a serious problem which needs to be curtailed, it almost inevitably leads to censorship mechanisms which will be abused down the road. How do you fact check the entire Internet? Anyone in journalism knows how much work it can be to fact check one article and often the facts are open to interpretation, particularly in politics.

Elites in government and business are now pushing for the creation of censorship mechanisms in order to curtail fake news, and they're hoping to get away with it because of popular disillusionment over the results of the US election. We really, really need to come together on this point and stop them.

[+] pappyo|9 years ago|reply
I wonder though, how much influence fake news had on people, not help people choose who to vote for, but to dissuade them to vote at all. A sort of unpropaganda, if you will. This election got so far into the Tyson Zone[0] that the headlines of fake news became hard for even well informed citizens to parse. Fake news could have provided a chilling effect that influenced the election.

Of course I have no data to support this, but I think it would be a fascinating case study / sociological experiment.

[0] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tyson%20Zone

[+] JeremyMorgan|9 years ago|reply
I couldn't agree more. I think this push is twofold, exactly as you said. It's a way to rationalize Trumps unexpected win and get the populace to agree to more censorship. It's irresponsible at best.
[+] pg314|9 years ago|reply
It would require a profoundly dumber US population than I believe exists.

Only a small fraction of the population needs to believe it to have an impact on the election.

[+] ktRolster|9 years ago|reply
It could also be seen as an attempt to get viewers to continue consuming traditional media outlets. Don't go to the new stuff, it's scary!
[+] jackweirdy|9 years ago|reply
A former boss of mine used to talk about how he found economics interesting, because unlike telling someone not do something and watching them ignore you, with economics you can change the rules of the game so they don't want to play any more.

"Fake news" is just another manifestation of the same old "Thirteen cat facts you won't believe" and even "One simple tricks" we've been seeing for years. It's economically profitable to make large amounts of people look at your site. Until that stops being the case, all of the parasitic crap we see on the web will continue to grow. It will grow bigger and faster, too, as more people get connected to the web, and don't know what's "true" and what's not.

I have no concluding remark to this observation, other than get used to it, unless you're a decision maker at Adwords, in which case pull your finger out and realise you hold the position of power to stop this.

[+] jessaustin|9 years ago|reply
It seems inevitable that this sort of thing soon will be mostly automated. After all, Trump fans aren't alone in wanting to read conspiratorial affirmations of their moronic beliefs. We'd all like that, at some level. If any particular search engine or similar aggregation platform actually succeeds in curbing fakenews (rather than loudly crowing about initial attempts to do so, as in the current case), that platform will see its own popularity decline. Nobody wants that, so this "problem" will remain "unsolved".
[+] Natsu|9 years ago|reply
It's not clear to me that anyone actually believes any of the sites mentioned. I mean, the business model only relies on people clicking the page and seeing ads, so in that vein, all the clickbait headlines we've ever seen on the MSM are pretty much the same.

Given what I've seen, the body of the article is probably superfluous. Just have a Markov chain regurgitate some utter nonsense and figure out how to generate viral headlines.

Worse, it's not like the MSM is immune to this, either. I mean, just look at this story: http://fortune.com/2016/11/25/russian-fake-news/

The story gets worse when you look at what was found on Glenn Greenwald's twitter: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/802247437289226240 "No-one I've spoken to listed as "allies" on their site had even heard of them before the WP piece."

[+] rokhayakebe|9 years ago|reply
This is like USNews and USWeekly mags at the grocery store.