3. Bought traffic on Reddit ads (/r/programming) and Facebook (programmers in USA). BTW, two young kids (a college student and a recent graduate) commented on my Facebook ad to bash me. The ad performed better after their comments.
I got email signups from Reddit at $4.50 net Cost Per Lead and from Facebook at $6.50 net Cost Per Lead. I spent a total of $100 buying traffic before I sat down to write the book. Although there was no way that 100% of the emails would convert to sales, (ultimately, about 35%+ of them did so far), it was clear to me that there was a potentially scaleable marketing channel (once I optimized the ads to drive down cost and improved conversion rate on email -> sale). That, and people on HN constantly ask how to break into consulting, so I also intuitively believed in the market.
But these days I am reluctant to dive into anything unless I know there is a repeatable sales process. I qualify potential startups as employers or clients based on this belief – I don't want to waste my time and I don't want them to waste theirs. I've been burned WAY too many times by startups with products or services that haven't been proven to have economic demand. Let people vote with their wallet not their mouth.
>But these days I am reluctant to dive into anything unless I know there is a repeatable sales process.
Exactly. If you're incapable of selling the product, it doesn't matter how much demand you think there is; you're still going to end up wasting your time.
Myself and other people in my shared office have started taking this up a level: can you find an affiliate program that involves a not-too-different product?
If so, can you sell it?
The aim isn't to make money from the affiliate program directly, breaking even or running a small loss is fine; the aim is to find out whether it looks like there's a business in there and you yourself are capable of marketing it and you can make sales.
Superb comment BTW, thanks so much for sharing a real-world example!
Do I interpret your numbers correctly in that with the $100 budget and about $5 per lead, you generated just 20 leads, of which about 7 finally bought the book?
If you like the post, I recommend you to read Start Small, Stay Small: A Developer's Guide to Launching a Startup[1] by Rob Walling.
> "Start Small, Stay Small also focuses on the single most important element of a startup that most developers avoid: marketing. There are many great resources for learning how to write code, organize source control, or connect to a database. This book does not cover the technical aspects developers already know or can learn elsewhere. It focuses on finding your idea, testing it before you build, and getting it into the hands of your customers."
a thread with 140 points is not really a good gauge for demand
besides the n.1 issue in doing demand validation is "people will say they're interested into something but when asked to put money down very few do it"
crowdfounding is a very good way to get people to put money down, but you need a huge reach for it to be a valid metric.
I wish there was more detail about the pain-point-finding process. As is, simply looking for examples of current pain points is very prone to cognitive bias -- if you go looking for a pain point, you'll find one, but how do you quantify the intensity of pain and willingness to change solutions?
Maybe more of an overall competition-assessment strategy (rather than a specific pain-point-search) -- if you research the current shortcomings AND high points of current solutions you'll have a much better understanding of the value your product can add.
I think you have to talk to as many people as you can about this pain point. They should not be friends or family. They need to be at best acquaintances. You want honest feedback from people who don't care about hurting your feelings, only what they need for their business.
How big of a pain is it? Does your idea solve that for them? How much would they pay for your service over what they use now? Can you make switching cost effective? ....
It depends on your approach - if you come up with an idea, then go looking for people to confirm it is a pain point, yes, you may end up being off. But if you simply identify a market you want to help, then go ask people in that market what their biggest pain points are, your should end up with a valid list.
If your product can be crowdfunded on kickstarter/indiegogo I think it is a great exercise to get you to think critically about your product and validate demand.
Yes I have used similar methods. In addition to using generic, relevant searches on Google, Reddit, etc., I did competitor searches looking for discussions about them. That helped me figure out which competitors were most popular. Typically people would discuss what they like or dislike about them which helped inform some product decisions. In my case there seemed to be some dissatisfaction with existing solutions and willingness to try new products which suggested there is demand.
[+] [-] gargarplex|9 years ago|reply
1. Write up a table of contents
2. Throw up a quick landing page on unbounce. This was the page I used http://unbouncepages.com/become-a-freelance-software-consult... (but I did a 1month trial of Unbounce premium so I could cname it to codeforcash.zackburt.com)
3. Bought traffic on Reddit ads (/r/programming) and Facebook (programmers in USA). BTW, two young kids (a college student and a recent graduate) commented on my Facebook ad to bash me. The ad performed better after their comments.
I got email signups from Reddit at $4.50 net Cost Per Lead and from Facebook at $6.50 net Cost Per Lead. I spent a total of $100 buying traffic before I sat down to write the book. Although there was no way that 100% of the emails would convert to sales, (ultimately, about 35%+ of them did so far), it was clear to me that there was a potentially scaleable marketing channel (once I optimized the ads to drive down cost and improved conversion rate on email -> sale). That, and people on HN constantly ask how to break into consulting, so I also intuitively believed in the market.
But these days I am reluctant to dive into anything unless I know there is a repeatable sales process. I qualify potential startups as employers or clients based on this belief – I don't want to waste my time and I don't want them to waste theirs. I've been burned WAY too many times by startups with products or services that haven't been proven to have economic demand. Let people vote with their wallet not their mouth.
[+] [-] mootothemax|9 years ago|reply
Exactly. If you're incapable of selling the product, it doesn't matter how much demand you think there is; you're still going to end up wasting your time.
Myself and other people in my shared office have started taking this up a level: can you find an affiliate program that involves a not-too-different product?
If so, can you sell it?
The aim isn't to make money from the affiliate program directly, breaking even or running a small loss is fine; the aim is to find out whether it looks like there's a business in there and you yourself are capable of marketing it and you can make sales.
Superb comment BTW, thanks so much for sharing a real-world example!
[+] [-] metachris|9 years ago|reply
Do I interpret your numbers correctly in that with the $100 budget and about $5 per lead, you generated just 20 leads, of which about 7 finally bought the book?
[+] [-] guftagu|9 years ago|reply
[+] [-] longnguyen|9 years ago|reply
> "Start Small, Stay Small also focuses on the single most important element of a startup that most developers avoid: marketing. There are many great resources for learning how to write code, organize source control, or connect to a database. This book does not cover the technical aspects developers already know or can learn elsewhere. It focuses on finding your idea, testing it before you build, and getting it into the hands of your customers."
[1]: https://www.amazon.com/Start-Small-Stay-Developers-Launching...
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[+] [-] wscott|9 years ago|reply
That article ends with "My online marketing course is launching soon. Buy now and get the early bird discount ($155 saving)"
Like hell it is. He is doing the classic testing of demand. No class exists, but if enough people sign up then he will create one.
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[+] [-] LoSboccacc|9 years ago|reply
besides the n.1 issue in doing demand validation is "people will say they're interested into something but when asked to put money down very few do it"
crowdfounding is a very good way to get people to put money down, but you need a huge reach for it to be a valid metric.
other than that, it's mostly luck and bullshit.
[+] [-] marktangotango|9 years ago|reply
It's a much stronger signal than 5 threads with zero upvotes!
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[+] [-] snarf21|9 years ago|reply
How big of a pain is it? Does your idea solve that for them? How much would they pay for your service over what they use now? Can you make switching cost effective? ....
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If you know how to debug let me know as well :)
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Please check this out : http://contrastrebellion.com/
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I'm trying to build a tool for analyzing cannabis stocks and choosing an investment strategy. But in the meantime I've got a Google Sheet I'm using to track them - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X2cwnwmzgdRfuy0yiPo6...
Would love your feedback! And happy to answer any questions about it.
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