[fowlerpower]

Well at least people are pushing back.

What was starting to worry me is that many of the top CEOs were all kissing Trumps ass as to who can bring back more jobs. They were stumbling over themselves, "we are bringing 10000 jobs in the next 2 years".

There needs to be a lot of vocal people against this, immigrants are one the weakest groups in society. Trump just deomstrated and confirmed this.

What I don't get, and maybe someone can explain it, why isn't this un-constitutional? It feels like banning people, people who are perfectly legal not citizens but still legal, based on their religion is against the constitution. Am I missing something? Wasn't this country started by people looking to escape religious persecution?

[mc32]

Executive orders. When Obama rode somewhat roughshod with them, people were okay with them. They didn't complain. Congress hamstrung the president so, sure, why not let him have those powers. Now that the other guy is following suit, oh, no, executive power, abuse of power!

Nothing against Obama, I voted for him, but I find it a bit odd that because the new guy is the opposition suddenly it's a constitutional issue whereas before cuz it was our guy we let it pass.

It reminds me of the dissonance in some Calexiters --the same people who mourned Brexit. It's only good when you do it.

[dragonwriter]

> When Obama rode somewhat roughshod with them, people were okay with them.

Accuracy of the characterization aside, no they weren't.

> They didn't complain.

Yes, they did. All the time. Even sued to overturn a number of them, in some cases successfully.

> It reminds me of the dissonance in some Calexiters --the same people who mourned Brexit. It's only good when you do it.

More accurately, people think content matters (for legislation or executive orders), not just the style of action, and context matters (for exiting a larger union).

[ajdlinux]

I don't understand this whole obsession about the evils of executive orders. The making of an executive order is simply the invocation of a power that is either constitutionally or legislatively granted to the President and the Executive Branch. There are plenty of areas where it is absolutely appropriate to grant the executive branch authority to make decisions, issue policy memoranda, make regulations/subsidiary legislation, and so on.

The problem is only when said executive actions are either a) ultra vires (beyond the power that the law grants to the executive to make these decisions) or b) completely insane. In the case of this particular executive order, it may well be both.

[ec109685]

It's the contents of the orders that people are upset about.

[lomnakkus]

This is Whataboutism.

[aaronbrethorst]

It's a constitutional issue because it's a constitutional issue (Due Process and Equal Protection). Not because it's the "new guy."

[pavanky]

ACLU is challenging this. Read the thread about a stay order from a Federal Judge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13511348

[jusq2]

Yes you are missing a lot. But you aren't alone. Everyone else is too. This is becoming a characteristic feature of the internet.

There is huge information asymmetry at play here that just cannot be communicated through the media, social media or a hn post.

Or as I would say to a second grader, if you want to understand things your cousin in college is talking about put in 10 years of work. If the internet gives you the impression that everything that you can't make sense of is one ted talk/one reddit ELI5 post away, that's just wrong.

This expectation has to change. Otherwise we end up with more and more people who don't understand the work it takes to know anything deeply.

[scottmmjackson]

I actually did put in the work, however, and I agree with parent. You also don't become an authority by pretending you're some mystic wise man without saying anything of substance.

It's unconstitutional for many reasons, one of which is that the executive has no authority to block the entry of legal visa and green card holders without due process.

And yes, it deals a massive blow to the rule of law and faith in the stability of the nation when legal visitors and immigrants are blocked from entry due to an arbitrary dictate from POTUS.

[mejari]

You managed to write a lot about the fact that they are missing something, but didn't even provide an avenue to help them start to try to understand.