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omonra | 9 years ago

The author obliquely mentions that blacks are 5 times more likely to be imprisoned in the UK. I decided to look into why this might be happening and turns out that

Population

Population of England and Wales, source: 2011 ONS Census White – 48,209,395 (85.97%) [White British – 45,134, 686 – 80.48%] Black – 1,864,890 (3.32%) Asian – 3,820,390 (6.81%) Chinese – 393,141 (0.7%) Mixed race – 1,224,400 (2.18%) Arab – 230,600 (0.41%) Other – 333,096 (0.59%) Total – 56,075,912

Offenders found guilty of selected offences by ethnicity in England and Wales, 2011, source: MoJ

Murder

White – 223 (65.01%) Black – 57 (16.61%) Asian – 29 (8.45%) Other – 4 (1.16%) Not stated – 30 (8.74%) Total – 343

Blacks are 6.6 times more likely than whites to commit murder.

Possession of an article with a blade or point in a public place or on school premises

White – 4518 (72.26%) Black – 1034 (16.53%) Asian – 224 (3.58%) Other – 93 (1.48%) Not stated – 383 (6.12%) Total – 6252

Blacks are 5.9 more likely than whites to commit of knife offences

Possession of firearms, certificate related and miscellaneous firearms offences

White – 989 (64.05%) Black – 281 (18.19%) Asian – 72 (4.66%) Other – 33 (2.13%) Not stated – 169 (10.94%) Total – 1544

Blacks are 7.3 more likely than whites to commit firearms offences.

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dang|9 years ago

We've banned this account. It's an abuse of HN to use it primarily for political or ideological battle.

HN exists for intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Political flamewars destroy this, so we can't have both kinds of site.

tzs|9 years ago

> Blacks are 6.6 times more likely than whites to commit murder

That should be "be found guilty of murder", not "commit murder". Ideally committing murder and being found guilty of murder would be perfectly correlated, but in reality they might not be for a variety of reasons.

omonra|9 years ago

Actually it make sense.

Looking at the figures in this report https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm... - see for example chart 3.09 and 3.11, whites tend to be murdered much more by people they know / in their home.

Therefore it's more likely that a white murder victim was killed by someone they know - hence likely to be solved & convicted. Blacks have (relatively) higher chance of being killed by strangers outside - hence lower probability of arrest & conviction.