[wonderflpancake]

I wish we would stop with the vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers. I think most people (including myself) fall into the middle - we don't believe they are entirely safe, but understand its the lesser of two evils and have to roll the dice.

What I dislike about the "pro-vaxxers" is their unwillingness to acknowledge ANYTHING negative about vaccines.

- There IS "stuff" in most vaccines that we should ALL agree should not be in there (formaldehyde, aluminum, etc). There is no "safe" level of aluminum for a baby. Some vaccines manufacturers make them without these things if you really do the research for each one, but the chance your doctor carries the perfect brand combinations of the ones without all the questionable ingredients is unlikely. For example, if you find out XYZ co makes the MMR vaccine without aluminum, it doesn't really matter because you probably can't get the version from XYZ co.

- The packet insert clinical studies that come in the vaccines are usually absurdly small. We should ALL agree millions of people are getting these vaccinations every year and a sample size of 500, 5000, or 10000 people in 1980 just doesn't cut it. There should be better ways to keep these studies current with much more data.

But no one usually wants to hear these criticisms. "The science proves its safe!" Sure, until it doesn't. Wouldn't it be great if we could just acknowledge the obvious issues instead of opposing everything the other side says?

[akytt]

Based on what scientific fact do you state "there is no safe level of aluminum for a baby?" We all, including babies, contain aluminum. That's the problem: i can't agree to "there's stuff in there that should not be" based on an opinion.

[wonderflpancake]

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/vaccines/va... gives quite a bit of color.

This is exactly what I always see happen. Common sense tells me formaldehyde and aluminum = not good. It's not iron after all. I don't recall every seeing formaldehyde or aluminum nutrition supplement pills. Yet people will literally argue that formaldehyde is naturally occurring and exists in our bodies and that's supposed to fly "scientifically". We need to do better.

[MK999]

If you are injured by a vaccine you can't sue the manufacturer, you have to go though the Vaccine Court. Meanwhile the vaccines themselves can enumerate some hideous side effects.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/306554223/Diphtheria-and-Tetanus-...

[vorotato]

No most people do not think they are "somewhat safe". Who do you know that has been injured by a vaccine? Any family? Friends? Friends of Friends? Why are you afraid of something you don't even have anecdotal evidence for?

[mobiplayer]

There's no such thing as "pro-vaxxers".

Please, don't treat your audience as if we were stupid. This is the anti-vaxxer script...