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Isaac Asimov Laments the “Cult of Ignorance” in the United States (2016)

126 points| teslacar | 9 years ago |openculture.com

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[+] dade_|9 years ago|reply
It isn't a cult, but I agree that it looks like one.

https://www.amazon.ca/Unconscious-Civilization-John-Ralston-...

"Saul engagingly explains the current woes of democracy, especially in Canada, the U.S., and Britain. He argues from history and philosophy that the democratic meaning of individualism has been obscured and the importance of economics overemphasized throughout the twentieth century. With Socrates, he maintains that in a democracy, citizenship is the incumbent duty and government the great responsibility of the individual. Minding one's own business and getting the government off one's back are derelictions of democracy that reflect infatuation with corporatism, the brand of utopianism exemplified by Mussolini's fascism, with its melding of huge business interests and government to achieve the managed society. Privatization as a remedy for government inefficiency and the conception of individualism as the capacity to purchase consumer goods bespeak corporatism's present power, for both reduce citizenship and place control with managers accountable primarily for the bottom line, not the public good. There are many more compelling--and disquieting--ideas in this exciting, though discursive, little book." Ray Olson

[+] hugh4life|9 years ago|reply
Conflating market corporationism and fascist corporationism is an idiotic and ridiculous category error leftists often make. The purpose of fascist corporatism was to achieve organic national unity by putting both corporations and unions under control of the government. Market corporatist ideology believes that separating government functions from the government would make them more efficient.
[+] beaconstudios|9 years ago|reply
that's the first time I've seen fascism and libertarianism ("getting the government off one's back") treated as one and the same.
[+] dukeluke|9 years ago|reply
There are plenty of people who would like to participate in citizenship in America, but because our FPTP voting system creates a two-party system and extreme partisanship, too many people believe the system is rigged and they wouldn't have much of an influence. And judging from recent elections, their belief is pretty reasonable.
[+] bambax|9 years ago|reply
I think the cult of "free speech" is a big part of the problem.

Free speech, as spelled out in the 1st amendment is the ability of anyone to speak freely without fear of repercussions by the State. "Congress shall make no law.."

But it has progressively help foster the idea that all speech should be respected or listened to, that all speakers are equally respectable, and as a consequence that every utterance of words is equivalent and should be given the same screen time.

This is madness.

People have an absolute right to be religious if they want to, and to worship any entity, without interference from the State. But they shouldn't expect to be respected for it, and certainly not by the common man. Indeed, they should expect the opposite: to be mocked and laughed at.

Same for "anti vaxxers" who are in fact utterly stupid, selfish freeriders and should be addressed as such (and shunned from civilized society). Etc.

Anyway, my point isn't against free speech per se; it's the observation that a certain idea of "free speech" has been intrumentalized by a lot of people to shield themselves and the absurd views they hold, from criticism, and that the non-crazies constantly fall prey to this obvious tactic.

[+] Clubber|9 years ago|reply
>People have an absolute right to be religious if they want to ... But they shouldn't expect to be respected for it ... Indeed, they should expect the opposite: to be mocked and laughed at.

Many people find religion for many different reasons. To categorize them all as people to be mocked is equally doltish but the opposite to religious people telling everyone they are going to hell (for whatever thing they don't like). Your statement is an equal but opposite reaction to that which you loath. No one likes a rabid conservative, no one likes a rabid liberal. Rabid is rabid regardless of what comes out of their mouth.

>idea of "free speech" has been intrumentalized by a lot of people to shield themselves and the absurd views they hold

I think you are practicing what you are preaching.

[+] keiferski|9 years ago|reply
Free speech is a classic example of rights with responsibilities. There are a certain class of rights in which you should be able to exercise but should generally have the good sense of knowing the appropriate time to exercise them. But, as you've said, this has been warped into "I have the right to say whatever nonsense I want and I am completely justified in doing so."
[+] agumonkey|9 years ago|reply
Free speech should be contextualized. Nowadays it became a napkin to allow stupidity. Not to shield humans against state violence.

'freedom of speech and duty of reflection'

PS: ignorance vs intelligence tbc

[+] erikb|9 years ago|reply
I think it's widespread all over the world. Partly because not knowing stuff usually includes not knowing what one doesn't know. Therefore we always feel like knowing everything.

That leads to weird collisions between "elite" and "normal people" like me being the most well earning person due to my IT master and job, but some family members wondering at Christmas when I will learn a real job (that allows me to use my hands instead of my brain).

[+] m_fayer|9 years ago|reply
It's also very simple "sour grapes" thinking. Most people can intuit that knowledge leads to status and privilege, so when they don't have it themselves, their ego suffers when adjacent to those that do have it. So, in a simple act of self esteem preservation, they demean the very idea of knowledge.

Given how pervasive our intelligentsia-dominated media has become, low-knowledge people everywhere are now in a constant state of defensive ego-preservation. Presto, wide-spread belligerent anti-intellectualism.

[+] pdimitar|9 years ago|reply
Off-tangent warning:

My girlfriend's family members always were judgemental assholes during family holidays and they were always passive-aggressive of course -- so when she gets angry they always make googly eyes and say "but we said nothing, why are you so angry?". Playing the Virgin Mary.

One day she firmly refused to go and proceeded to silence her phone to dodge the bullets from one of her granddads and both grandmas.

Took them half a year of shock and they suddenly started being nice and stopped judging based on their (possibly obsolete) models of thinking. Now they even try to TALK with her, to actually LISTEN! All hope is not lost for the world. :D

You might want to try the silent treatment. Family members love to judge and I feel they'll die if they don't do it but I think they love the person a bit more and can come around.

[+] throwanem|9 years ago|reply
> ...the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

But this is a necessary consequence of the universal franchise. My ignorance has one vote. Your knowledge has one vote. In a system of rule that furnishes us each a vote and values all votes equally, my ignorance and your knowledge are worth exactly the same. In such a system of rule, how can it be otherwise?

[+] iiii_iivii_iiii|9 years ago|reply
Let's not forget the two slippery fish in our hands that is other people's "ignorance" and our "knowledge."
[+] pricechild|9 years ago|reply
I found this submission's title's date quite confusing. Yes it's an article from 2016 but discussing an essay from 1980!
[+] ajarmst|9 years ago|reply
By a man who died in 1992.
[+] squozzer|9 years ago|reply
Keep in mind some of Asimov's best-known works do not flatter the intellectuals or even technology:

Foundation Trilogy --

1) The Encyclopedia Foundation epitomizes ivory-tower (and mostly retrospective) intellectuals who find themselves outmaneuvered by a mere politician, Salvor Hardin. This same Hardin uses deceit and treachery to keep Terminus independent against menacing breakaway provinces. Hardin's successors oversee the hegemony of the Foundation, even as Terminus' government devolves into autocracy under the Indburs.

2) The savior of humanity Hari Seldon essentially keeps Terminus in the dark about crises he was able to predict decades / centuries in advance. Only the arrival of an aberration (The Mule) throws his predictive power to the wind.

3) Moreover, Seldon establishes a shadow group of telepaths, mathematicians, and psychologists, ostensibly to gaurd against aberrations such as The Mule, but whose ultimate goal is to eventually rule the galaxy on the blood and sweat of the First Foundation.

Galatic Empire novels --

1) Hyperspatial travel, once considered liberating, becomes the primary mechanism for inflicting human politics on an unsuspecting galaxy.

Robots of Dawn novels --

1) Robots initially free humanity from drudgery but eventually render the societies that use them vulnerable to a droid-phobic Earth. Earth wins the inevitable war between itself and the robot societies, but becomes uninhabitable.

Considering his background, Dr. Asimov had a certain autocratic streak.

[+] hugh4life|9 years ago|reply
"Arguments, that is to say, have come to be understood in some circles not as expressions of rationality, but as weapons, the techniques for deploying which furnish a key part of the professional skills of lawyers, academics, economists, and journalists who thereby dominate the dialectically unfluent and inarticulate." - Alasdair MacIntyre

It's not surprising that people turn to demagogic populist buffoons when "rational" managerial class tell obvious lies in order to increase their powers.

[+] norea-armozel|9 years ago|reply
Much of the reason why anti-intellectualism is held in high regard is because of the historical basis of the intellectuals being apologists for the rulers of civilization. Whether it's Milton Friedman being friendly with Augusto Pinochet who had no qualms throwing people out of flying helicopters that didn't comply with his right wing ideology or Trofim Lysenko who had his opponents killed or exiled under Stalin, intellectuals have a storied history of propping up bad regimes and bad policies so that they can bargain with said regimes to execute their own side projects (ex. Lysenkoism). Part of that comes from the fact that they believe their pursuits are divorced from the social and political dimensions when in reality they're so heavily tied to them that it's inescapable. Like it or not, they need to realize that they must be part of the social and political dimensions to mitigate the dangers of anti-intellectualism. That means there needs to be some form of science education/advocacy (like John Dobson did in some regard with astronomy or Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson had done for astrophysics) and participation in the political process such that the common person (the non-intellectual/scientist/expert) can digest what is said and done by intellectuals rather than cloistering the knowledge away behind thick books and thicker language. I'm not sure any of those suggestions can yield positive results but it seems it's better than cozying up to the current US President or hiding behind some tech billionaires to pursue your dreams of Martian colonies.
[+] iiii_iivii_iiii|9 years ago|reply
I think critiques of American bumbkins is an American tradition. Hawthorne to Twain to Mencken to etc. It is the American organism hashing itself. It is healthy and has helped to make this country what it is. However there is a dangerous trend today to severely ignore the lack of this in other nations whose own bumbkins self-immolate while those who could be Twains or Asimovs are immolated. But hey, say what you want about about everyone if it makes you feel good.
[+] dang|9 years ago|reply
The reflection on American intellectual history in this comment is welcome. Its trollish and uncivil aspects are not. Please edit those out if you're going to keep commenting here.
[+] madengr|9 years ago|reply

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[+] bawana|9 years ago|reply
Humans are creatures that evolved at an interface - the boundary between the earth and the atmosphere, the boundary between the known and the unknown. We have evolved to solve problems in the face of the unknown. American ingenuity embodies this spirit. OTOH, 'intelligence' is simply the recapitulation of stuff people have already talked about and done. This arthritic view is European. The actual application of 'intelligence' to the unknown is a rare activity that very few have embarked on. The authors of 'intelligence' constitute a handful of individuals in the sea of billions that inhabit this planet. How many Asimov's are there? I can feel his loneliness at the top but have no compassion for it. Is it no surprise then that Americans have eschewed blind worship of an elite priesthood? That kind of behavior is a shortcut to abdicating your brain. I respect those people who have honestly forged their place in the world without relying on deceit, subterfuge, delegation, entitlements, etc. These people have a vision for their lives and move in that direction, not the cult-like flocking behavior of the 'literati' peering into their smartphones for the latest liturgy.
[+] grive|9 years ago|reply
> 'intelligence' is simply the recapitulation of stuff people have already talked about and done

Your definition of intelligence is simply knowledge. That's a shaky foundation to build any sensible reasoning.

You make efforts not to call "American ingenuity" as intelligence. No, this ingenuity (which has nothing specificaly american about it) is just intelligence.

The actual application of 'prejudice' to the unknown is simply ideological rambling. American exceptionalism will never stop to astound me in its vacuity. Note that European are, or at least were equally guilty of it. But americans are only starting to know what it is to be an old society. To have entrenched interests furthering inequalities and hindering innovation (divide between the golden people from california and the inner-country pop). The new age of protectionism is there and America is on its forefront.

> Is it no surprise then that Americans have eschewed blind worship of an elite priesthood?

"Is it no surprise that humans applied very human behaviors to employ conceptual shortcuts in trying times?"

You reek of arrogance. This is pretty ironic, considering that the subtext of your comment is itself a critic of a supposed european smugness.

[+] pdimitar|9 years ago|reply
You make false dichotomies and try to make this in some sort of "USA vs. Europe" imaginary war.

Why must you do that?

False conflations of nations and ways of thinking, and accusing people of being full of themselves while you yourself expose such a behaviour.

You need a hug, man.

[+] NumberCruncher|9 years ago|reply
>> It may be that only 1 per cent—or less—of Americans make a stab at exercising their right to know.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. / Matthew 5:3-12 /

We think only because technology evolves humanity does it too. But we are still where we have been 2000 years ago.

[+] partycoder|9 years ago|reply
It's not really the cult of ignorance but the cult of money.

And money making skills do not require being a genius or personally making key contributions to society. It is rather about hiring the right people, negotiation and selling ideas, etc...

[+] narrator|9 years ago|reply
Asimov was fascinated by psychology, so much so that he made it the ultimate technology in his Foundation trilogy. I think this stemmed from the common fascination among elitists with methods and technologies to get the people they perceive to be their inferiors to do what they want them to. "A Cult of Ignorance" is an excuse and a lament that their methods and technologies weren't effective.
[+] DanCarvajal|9 years ago|reply
Yeah well I didn't like his Foundation series, it was boring.
[+] madengr|9 years ago|reply
Too bad Asimov does not call out religion as a culprit, as he alludes to that in his books. The US has a huge evangelical (or fundamentalist) population that places faith over reason.
[+] lr4444lr|9 years ago|reply
He could have, but that still doesn't dig satisfying deeply into the analysis: why would Americans be prone to evangelical / fundamentalist religion, and a general disdain for knowledge? It isn't a direct line from the Puritans, whose descendants anyway hardly account for the result of successive waves of immigration seen today. There are deeper issues at play such as:

The country's birth from a remote colonial revolution with a deep distrust of monarchy, tradition, and authority.

Being a destination for various people disenfranchised in their home cultures, who need a new metric of success, coalesce around money as the arbiter of success and indirectly "correctness".

Geographic isolationism from other and significantly diverse first world nations.

A lingering sense of superiority for our heroic role in WWII.

I don't know how much each of these contributes, but I think the answer to the questions Asimov raises is sooner found in, say, de Tocqueville than in Susan Jacoby.

[+] DoofusOfDeath|9 years ago|reply
FWIW, most evangelicals I know reject the notion that faith and reason ought to be in contradiction. I think you'll find that few well-respected Christian theologians or pastors would embrace such a contradiction either.

AFAIK, a more orthodox understanding of faith this: It's a willingness to take the risk that a proposition is true, or that a person can be trusted, even in the absence of iron-clad proof. As one guy phrased it, it's "putting all your eggs in one basket".

And FWIW, I've encountered numerous liberals, conservatives, athiests, and theists who hold self-inconsistent sets of beliefs.

[+] aaron-lebo|9 years ago|reply
Religion is only incidental.

Human beings are illogical and take a lot of things on faith. People often don't have good reasons to believe things or have simplistic views of other (see religion or not-religion). They believe because that's all they know. You eliminate all religion and you'll end up with non-religious faiths and ignorance. Haven't you noticed most tech is religion?

Religion might play a factor, but only as much as class, nationality, race, culture, education, background, genetic factors, etc.

[+] taurath|9 years ago|reply
And yet people are more likely to change their religion to match their politics than vice versa.
[+] Shivetya|9 years ago|reply
In essence, if you don't vote or think like us you are wrong and it is because you are irrational and/or ignorant?

yet another post election political slam of voters because they didn't choose "correctly" and not something that should be on this site.

[+] maxymoos|9 years ago|reply
Not everyone who voted for Trump is anti-intellectual, but if you are, it's very likely that you voted for him.