[erelde]

USA "proles" fell for populism and elected the worst neocapitalist team possible, against their own interests, that's what we're talking about when we talk about "populism".

By and large people (demographically) who voted for the democrats won't be much affected by the GOP gov, but the people who voted for the GOP will be badly affected.

If a mod comes here, I vote for closing this post, I feel it is very very prone to political flame wars.

[dukeluke]

I agree this post is prone to a flame war, but it's also a really important conversation for people to have. Many people don't understand why the election went the way that it did. How can we discuss this important topic correctly?

[gremlinsinc]

Ben studebaker called the rise of Trump in his article which had a really broad overview of what neoliberalism is, and he basically postulated that it's on the way out and we can EITHER have Nationalism (Trump) or Egalitarianism (Bernie Sanders)... sadly for America, he was ABSOLUTELY right, but nationalism won out... But that might not hold true, as we can easily flip flop back and forth till one side shows true progress at fixing the shit wrong with America.

https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/10/why-bernie-sanders...

That was written last February back when people actually thought it insane that Hillary Clinton could lose to Donald Trump -- doesn't sound so crazy now though.

[DarkKomunalec]

Sharing your country and resources with immigrants is also against one's self-interest, but we don't label that as irrational.

[lumberjack]

How about your stop shitting on immigrants and blaming them for everything?

It only fosters irrational hate and causes unnecessary violence.

It's not like those immigrants are occupying good paying low skill jobs that could otherwise be done by Americans. They do fruit picking in California for below minimum wage.

Immigration is used as a scapegoat.

Look at Germany. They have the same policies. They have immigration. They have open borders and they have free trade policies and they fully embrace globalism.

Yet Germany retained its high paying relatively low skill jobs and the US didn't. The reason is simply that the various CEOs in the respective countries decided on different business strategies. In the US it seems they decided to go with low cost manufacturing in China/Mexico.