[buckbova]

> Americans will die needless deaths

First off everyone dies. Who's not receiving healthcare right now that would be ultimately saved by the government?

Secondly let's cut the hyperbole and have a rational conversation about this.

[magicalist]

> Who's not receiving healthcare right now that would be ultimately saved by the government?

People not receiving basic preventative care with problems that are only going to snowball until emergency services can try to treat a much more complex situation in the future?

> Secondly let's cut the hyperbole and have a rational conversation about this.

You could have maybe had a point by quoting "but the market will win", but "Americans will die needless deaths from not receiving basic healthcare" is literally what's at stake. What exactly do you think the downsides of people not being able to afford healthcare are?

[buckbova]

"Americans will die needless deaths"

when they're on long wait lists for procedures because of a glut on resources

when they no longer have access to the high quality care they once had

when there's a greater shortage of quality nurses and doctors because of diminished pay

when innovation is stifled because R&D is funded by the government

[ravitation]

But not everyone dies a needless death, which was his point.

It is not irrational to point out the cost of ongoing debate.

[buckbova]

> In the meantime, Americans will die needless deaths from not receiving basic healthcare

No, it's the typical appeal to emotion nonsense that got the ACA passed to begin with. Now that's going to fail before it's even completely applied.