I'm not the most networking-literate person. How does this work? In the case PiHole you set your router force all of the devices on the network to go through the Pi, correct? So for this service you'd be routing all of your internet traffic through a remote server run by a company you know very little about? That feels sketchy to me, but again it might just be due to ignorance or misunderstanding.
Also, to anyone who has used PiHole - what do you do when a news site bugs you about using an ad blocker? What's the equivalent of "open up your other browser to access the page"?
Side note: why are people flagging this? Seems like a normal "Show HN"-type of post to me, but I'm not always savvy to the etiquette here.
I'm not sure why it keeps getting flagged, but it seems to be removed quickly afterwards.
It actually only sends your DNS traffic, which turns a pretty url (like https://www.adfree.life) into an ugly IP (like 70.42.251.42) and then returns to your computer to make the actual call with all of the important stuff. It is not to be confused with a VPN, where your traffic could actually be logged. You can read more about it here http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dns.htm
This is PiHole[1] as a service without any mention about pricing. You can buy a Pi for ~£10 (one off price) and install this for your own network in a few minutes.
I tried to be transparent about pricing, and the free trial lasts an entire day before resetting to make sure you are comfortable setting it up before purchasing. You are getting a dedicated VPS with every plan, no sharing. So the price includes the overhead there.
I would have thought that the target market for this service are the sort of people who would just run PiHole at home, or set up their own VPS if they really wanted? Most non-technical people I know are just happy with an ad blocker extension so they won't be interested.
They're explaining the technology they're using, which makes it sound like they don't know who they're marketing to. The average person isn't going to care about the stack, and the people who do care might not see the point in paying the price of a Raspberry Pi every month to run a Raspberry Pi.
Then again, if it saves a lot of people just a little bit of trouble, there's a lot of potential there. There's a lot of services that are like "dude I could have made that in a week!" but humans are lazy, and developers seem to be especially lazy, and many will happily pay for a pre-configured / hosted solution that "just works". :)
Thanks for checking it out! I actually am the sort of person that runs a pi-hole at home on a pi, but I wanted my family's devices to be blocking ads also when we left the house, and I found it a pain to always be asking to install extensions on each of the browsers on each of the computers, so a cloud offering let me manage it in one place (after setting up the DNS). I figured I was not alone as a hacker/tinkerer with a family and though others might benefit.
The main selling point over just buying a raspberry pi and installing it locally on your home network is that it only works out of the box on your home network. Opening up your network to the internet is not recommended for the average developer, and generally not recommended at all.
Yes, you can set up your own VPS for less than $9/mo. But not much less.
There is a lot of concern over logging the DNS entries. I'll put a notice on the site, but you are not only able to clear your logs at any time but are also able to turn off logging altogether. I do not keep your logs.
This is not a DNS provider, this is simply a layer that attempts to stifle known ads and trackers. You can already assume your DNS logs are being used somewhere, this does not stop that.
Technical question: when I send over my DNS requests to you (do I actually do that?), aren't those requests unencrypted going over the internet so everybody can sniff on which pages I visit?
This looks promising! I'm a bit unclear on who the target audience is though. Techies? Regular folks? Techies who want to secure their loved ones? Are you trying to take out the hassle of configuring Pi Hole on a VPS, or to create an easy solution for the average person? It seems like the former to me, so just making sure that you're aware that's how the site comes across.
If you can afford it I would get a professional designer to take a look at the site. It looks pretty good but it's a little bit "off", rough around the edges somehow.
If you're targeting tech people it won't matter as much, but still, first impressions are important.
I see two obvious targets: people who want this service but aren't game to configure a Pi Hole, and techies who travel and want a fast-and-easy way to get this benefit on any network.
Why would someone route their traffic through your servers, opening themselves up to a whole slew of potential privacy issues, and pay you for it, to accomplish the same thing they could do on their own for the cost of a Raspberry pi?
You are getting a dedicated VPS, so there is no cross traffic sharing between other subscriptions. You can also disable logging if you don't want to graphs. A Raspberry Pi has to be set up on your own local network, and you'd have to open up that port to the world to be able to use it from outside your home, which has farther reaching security issues. This is limiting that exposure to a dedicated VPS outside your network.
How do you make sure your pi-hole instance is only used by the rightful user? After all you can't restrict port 53, and I am sure iptables are not an option here since you don't know from where the users will be connecting?
The general problem I see with network ad blockers is sometimes you need to enable certain blocked domains for certain sites to work. When the utility or content of the site outweighs the need to block , its impossible to do with most of these network level blockers.
How does this even work for mobile (the major selling point AFAICT)? A few minutes of research suggests that it's non-trivial to change my DNS server on iOS when using my cellular data connection.
Just a follow up to my own comment here for those wondering the same or for in the future if it happens to you. I got word from HN that the community probably thought this post was marketing for a business, and that the community was, understandably, wary of a new account posting their product. Truth is I am a solo hacker and this is just a side project of mine. I made an account with a matching name so that it was easier to determine official answers.
TL;DR: submissions from new accounts that are flagged for any reason weigh heavily against you, keeping you from posting or answering questions in a timely manner. Also, it took 40 min for it to be public on New, starting on the second page.
TL;DR:TL:DR: don't create a new account to post something.
[+] [-] Brendinooo|8 years ago|reply
Also, to anyone who has used PiHole - what do you do when a news site bugs you about using an ad blocker? What's the equivalent of "open up your other browser to access the page"?
Side note: why are people flagging this? Seems like a normal "Show HN"-type of post to me, but I'm not always savvy to the etiquette here.
[+] [-] adfreelife|8 years ago|reply
It actually only sends your DNS traffic, which turns a pretty url (like https://www.adfree.life) into an ugly IP (like 70.42.251.42) and then returns to your computer to make the actual call with all of the important stuff. It is not to be confused with a VPN, where your traffic could actually be logged. You can read more about it here http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dns.htm
[+] [-] aembleton|8 years ago|reply
1. https://pi-hole.net/
[+] [-] adfreelife|8 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] malchow|8 years ago|reply
Precious data –– there's only so much of it, and when we burn it all, it'll be gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3bZ6y_23_Y
[+] [-] jmcdiesel|8 years ago|reply
[+] [-] madjam002|8 years ago|reply
I'm interested to see how this pans out.
[+] [-] andai|8 years ago|reply
Then again, if it saves a lot of people just a little bit of trouble, there's a lot of potential there. There's a lot of services that are like "dude I could have made that in a week!" but humans are lazy, and developers seem to be especially lazy, and many will happily pay for a pre-configured / hosted solution that "just works". :)
[+] [-] adfreelife|8 years ago|reply
[+] [-] adfreelife|8 years ago|reply
Yes, you can set up your own VPS for less than $9/mo. But not much less.
There is a lot of concern over logging the DNS entries. I'll put a notice on the site, but you are not only able to clear your logs at any time but are also able to turn off logging altogether. I do not keep your logs.
This is not a DNS provider, this is simply a layer that attempts to stifle known ads and trackers. You can already assume your DNS logs are being used somewhere, this does not stop that.
This does not use a VPN to hide your IP.
[+] [-] thewavelength|8 years ago|reply
[+] [-] andai|8 years ago|reply
If you can afford it I would get a professional designer to take a look at the site. It looks pretty good but it's a little bit "off", rough around the edges somehow.
If you're targeting tech people it won't matter as much, but still, first impressions are important.
Best wishes :)
[+] [-] Bartweiss|8 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] saimiam|8 years ago|reply
FD - I recently launched an adblock as a service (listed in my profile.)
Edit1 - maybe it's security through anonymity. Don't tell anyone your DNS server address?
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[+] [-] jmcdiesel|8 years ago|reply
My understanding is that this is a device on your network... your home network. Can you explain how this device/service would help your mobile data?
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TL;DR: submissions from new accounts that are flagged for any reason weigh heavily against you, keeping you from posting or answering questions in a timely manner. Also, it took 40 min for it to be public on New, starting on the second page.
TL;DR:TL:DR: don't create a new account to post something.