How New York's Roosevelt Island Sucks Away Summer Trash Stink

[asah]

If you've never lived in NYC, you have no idea... just say the words "summer garbage strike" to any NYer and they'll have stories of 10-high bags of garbage piling up on streets in 95 degree heat and 95% humidity, while the unions wait until city hall caves...

[yardie]

Honestly, can you blame them. It's toxic, backbreaking work. Easily dismissed and essential at the same time. Trash collection is the number 1 contributor to public health.

[Pxtl]

The Toronto summer garbage strike was so nasty and so gross and so angry that I think it did permanent damage to organized labour in Canada.

I mean, it helped precipitate the election of Rob freaking Ford.

[cylinder]

Unions? The garbage pickup is done by private contractors... Usually based in NJ and probably connected to organized crime.

[farance]

I've lived on Roosevelt Island for the past 37 years and the AVAC system has been very reliable, and no garbage trucks. The system works with a set of "timed" openings and several score of chutes, so the full vacuum pressure is maintained for a single chute, then it closes, and moves onto the next chute. The system timing can be adjusted to meet varying demands. Some of us are looking for possibilities of, say, 3-headed attachments at the chute base, which would allow separation into various recyclables to be automated sorted/collected. Annual cost is about $360K, which is about $30 per person per year (or $3/month). And the system collects and containerizes the garbage so only one carting truck is needed to pick up a full container, rather than carting trucks half loaded, i.e., better truck, fuel, exhaust efficiency. It's one of those "Jetsons" ideas that actually works well. I'm working with politicians to get mini-AVAC systems in areas of Manhattan (high rises), but you can imagine that there are regulatory obstacles and union/industry obstacles, but it really works well.

[bvttf]

So in summary, the garbage collection is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your [trash] in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

[maxaf]

+1 (insightful) for an apt application of the universal explanation of everything.

[jfries]

I live in Sweden and have a similar system in my apartment building. It's really the height of convenience.

To throw household trash I just open the door and throw it down the hatch placed in the wall. See https://www.dropbox.com/s/184p0ten0kzjvz9/20170806_150718.jp...

The small metal plate in the door is where the mail comes.

This particular installation is not vacuum based though, so we still need a trash car that comes and empties the trash room in the basement.

[lobster_johnson]

That's very common, though, both in the US and elsewhere. The vacuum system is what makes the NY setup unique.

[lucaspiller]

Here in Lithuania most older buildings have the same, but newer buildings typically just have garbage rooms in the basement. I guess the system reminds them of Soviet buildings, where the shoot is just a big pipe going down the stair well, so stinks up the corridors, is usually too small, and of course never cleaned. Here is a picture of a nicer looking one:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8fRxMujrr3g/T7nbckb40DI/AAAAAAAADt...

I've lived in new buildings in other countries that have the same system as you, and the (mild) smell is a lot nicer than having to walk downstairs to throw out trash.

[phasecode]

I wish there were more pictures of the turbines/overall system! Does anyone know how much this costs to run in comparison to normal trash pickups?

[lstamour]

https://vimeo.com/11804927 via http://fasttrash.org/exhibition/introduction/ via atlasobscura.

As to cost https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/-/media/Files/Publications/Resear... suggests it’s 10-25% cheaper to operate, but when you factor in capital costs, it's 40-90% more expensive, if I'm reading the abstract correctly.

[g09980]

Animation showing the system, from the manufacturer: http://www.envacgroup.com/ (Skip to 1:25 mark.)

[rbcgerard]

Sounds nice - but I'd love to know what the cost of the system was and the annual upkeep/maintence repair expense, energy costs etc compared to regular trash pick up...can one make a compelling case that these should be more widely used?

[nashashmi]

I cringe at the thought of how more complex the underground utility system will become because of something like this. There are some streets in New York which hardly have any additional room left for more utilities.

[notirk]

Residential buildings in NYC need to separate their trash into three types: recyclable containers, paper, and general trash. How is this accounted for with a single tube system? Do they have exemptions from the law? Can they only drop certain things into the shoot on certain days?

[gdilla]

Separation comes post-chuck. In other words, they have people sort it afterwards. All those public trash cans in NYC too - they sort it downstream.

[jccalhoun]

Ever since I saw the US remake of Dark Water I have said that if I ever lived in NYC I would live on Roosevelt Island.