In case anyone wonders how long ISS could survive completely unattended - it averaged 1 debris avoidance manouver per year before 2011 and 4 in 2012. Its orbit is around 400km which is low enough do decay slowly, but boost burns happen only every few years. Both of those events are planned months or years ahead.
NASA must have decided there was no real danger to the operators apart from some longer shifts and sleeping in the office. Otherwise, even without the backup ground control, ISS wouldn't be in any significant danger if disconnected for a few days.
Boost burns happen significantly more frequently than every few years. At 400km and a drag profile as large as the ISS, decay would take around a year or less, depending on attitude. A little bit more reading:
When they're avoiding debris that's not something that would have directly struck the station, rather they're aiming to keep debris from entering a 1.5 x 50 x 50 kilometer imaginary box with the station placed in the center[1].
So the inability to avoid debris realistically just increases the risk of running the station, it doesn't mean that if they'd skip the next maneuver that there's anything but a trivial chance of the station being struck.
Noting that the plans they made were all as a result of having enough advanced warning of the storm to 'bring in big camping backups and setup cots (assume those were there already?'. I would think that the planning should or would include a case where there is no warning at all. In other words personnel would be required to keep items onsite like hospitals do with crash carts for emergencies maybe storage places or bomb shelter esq. After all if one thing this storm taught (the chemical plant with the generators on the ground) is that you can't really predict the unknown unknowns. It doesn't seem, relative to the cost of space missions, a big deal for each employee to keep onsite (at JSC cost) items that would be needed (including medicine; refreshed as needed) in the event of no ability to plan ahead.
My wife works as a doctor at a hospital. I am always amazed at how they make no plans at all in bad weather to have a system in place to make sure she gets to work. It was actually my idea to tell her to buy an SUV so she wouldn't have problems when it snowed. It's literally left to all employees. They don't even have a way to reach her in the case of a mass county wide emergency. For example we don't have a landline and they don't have my cell phone and so on. It's all very ad hoc.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect employees to be able to figure out their own contingency plans for things that happen commonly. Eg, cars can drive on snow (no, you don't need an SUV, snow tires will suffice, and in flat places you can get away with all seasons just fine). Bus lines typically have snow routes. And so on. So basically the hospital's plan is "hopefully no more than x% of employees will be so thick as to screw up a response to a totally expected event".
Similarly, getting ahold of you is not one of their primary concerns.
As for how they handle an ACTUAL disaster, I'm not an expert. I do know that public hospitals have plans and standards, but I'm sure it is not the same nationwide. And, at the end of the day, all the planning in the world won't help if the employees simply refuse to show up. Perhaps they plan for the things they know that they can control (eg, infrastructure such as generators and supplies) but not for those they can't?
Obviously you wouldn't expect to the hospital to buy everyone motor boats so they can get to work in the event of a flood (for example). If the employees can't drive themselves to work, I'm not sure how to plan around that -- a private transportation service wouldn't work.
For JSC, what sort of event are you imagining where they can't swap out staff, with no warning, but will be able to continue operating?
The chemical plant seems to me to be less of thing than the media is making it out to be. They've isolated the peroxides from the rest of the plant and they don't release especially nasty smoke when they burn. It probably costs an awful lot to be prepared to not ever release soot.
It seems, from reading about the recent attacks in London and Manchester, that it's assumed for a major situation, that most of the staff will hear about the situation through other channels, and make their way to the hospital on their own accord.
> But when it comes to sending commands to the orbiting lab, that has to be done on site at JSC.
> There’s the option of moving Mission Control temporarily to a hotel in Round Rock, Texas, before transitioning control more permanently to NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. This facility has a lot of spaceflight infrastructure and could potentially support operations for weeks.
This seems very surprising, as it sounds like there's not really a plan if something disastrous were to happen to JSC. I don't mean to say they couldn't figure it out -- I have no doubt of that -- I am just surprised that the best plan backup plan is migrating to another facility "for weeks" after a short transition in a hotel (is this a literal hotel, or something more akin to a 'carrier hotel'?).
There are also Russian and ESA mission controls. Normally it seems they do more science support missions than supporting the facility itself, though Russia of course runs support for Soyuz and Progress docking, but if something truly disastrous were to happen to JSC those mission supports could be transferred to another location. That comment is more 'this is how we have the security setup and for a temporary situation like Harvey it's not worth changing everything when we have an alternative plan' than 'there is absolutely no other way to control the station than physically logging in from JSC.' That's pretty clear given that their primary backup site is just a hotel.
In fact most of the corporates have this part of their internal audit called BCP Business continuity Process, asking team members not to come to office but continue working.
What's inescapable I think is things like Malware attack and not these things
Headline seems click-bait-y, doesn't it? "Kept the ISS Flying"? Last I checked the ISS doesn't fly. Even if we concede that as a term of trade, it isn't going to fall out of orbit because it gets no love from earth for a few days.
It's due to a lack of cheap, readily available energy. We have to constantly worry about fuel and debris because maneuvering isn't cheap, and any form of electromagnetic shielding that's could even theoretically be useful would have incredible energy usage.
[+] [-] fridek|8 years ago|reply
NASA must have decided there was no real danger to the operators apart from some longer shifts and sleeping in the office. Otherwise, even without the backup ground control, ISS wouldn't be in any significant danger if disconnected for a few days.
[+] [-] mirashii|8 years ago|reply
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/9087/how-often-doe...
[+] [-] avar|8 years ago|reply
So the inability to avoid debris realistically just increases the risk of running the station, it doesn't mean that if they'd skip the next maneuver that there's anything but a trivial chance of the station being struck.
1. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debr...
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My wife works as a doctor at a hospital. I am always amazed at how they make no plans at all in bad weather to have a system in place to make sure she gets to work. It was actually my idea to tell her to buy an SUV so she wouldn't have problems when it snowed. It's literally left to all employees. They don't even have a way to reach her in the case of a mass county wide emergency. For example we don't have a landline and they don't have my cell phone and so on. It's all very ad hoc.
[+] [-] rconti|8 years ago|reply
Similarly, getting ahold of you is not one of their primary concerns.
As for how they handle an ACTUAL disaster, I'm not an expert. I do know that public hospitals have plans and standards, but I'm sure it is not the same nationwide. And, at the end of the day, all the planning in the world won't help if the employees simply refuse to show up. Perhaps they plan for the things they know that they can control (eg, infrastructure such as generators and supplies) but not for those they can't?
Obviously you wouldn't expect to the hospital to buy everyone motor boats so they can get to work in the event of a flood (for example). If the employees can't drive themselves to work, I'm not sure how to plan around that -- a private transportation service wouldn't work.
[+] [-] maxerickson|8 years ago|reply
The chemical plant seems to me to be less of thing than the media is making it out to be. They've isolated the peroxides from the rest of the plant and they don't release especially nasty smoke when they burn. It probably costs an awful lot to be prepared to not ever release soot.
[+] [-] toomanybeersies|8 years ago|reply
There's also a very interesting article from Stanford about how they handled their response to the Asiana Airlines crash a few years ago: http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/07/this-is-not-a-...
Basically, they paged everyone to come in, and roped in everyone who was in the hospital to help out.
[+] [-] gregmac|8 years ago|reply
> There’s the option of moving Mission Control temporarily to a hotel in Round Rock, Texas, before transitioning control more permanently to NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. This facility has a lot of spaceflight infrastructure and could potentially support operations for weeks.
This seems very surprising, as it sounds like there's not really a plan if something disastrous were to happen to JSC. I don't mean to say they couldn't figure it out -- I have no doubt of that -- I am just surprised that the best plan backup plan is migrating to another facility "for weeks" after a short transition in a hotel (is this a literal hotel, or something more akin to a 'carrier hotel'?).
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Emergency preparedness isn't rocket science even if your organization's mission happens to be rocket science.
[+] [-] amrrs|8 years ago|reply
What's inescapable I think is things like Malware attack and not these things
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It's not that he dances well, it's that he does it at all.
So it is with manned space flight.
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