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metilda | 8 years ago

Pretty sure that means people who refuse to deploy TLS & IPv6, even when their hardware & software stack fully supports it.

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3pt14159|8 years ago

There are situations where you need IPv4 due to rate-limiting. So while my stack technically supports IPv6 I have no reason to migrate to it.

andrewaylett|8 years ago

You've been downvoted because this shouldn't be true, but since no-one else has stepped up, I'll bite :).

It's perfectly possible to do IP-based rate-limiting in the IPv6 world, you just need to do it based on different prefixes, rather than full IPs.

As a specific example, my ISP -- as is quite usual -- hands out /48s. So in the same way that you can rate limit my entire NAT'd IPv4 connection with a single entry, you can rate limit my entire IPv6 connection with a single entry, by storing the prefix.

snowpanda|8 years ago

That makes more sense than trying to force a completely unrelated opinion into a conversation.

Also, the notion that broad use of IPv6 = security in VOIP, IoT or any area is a postulation at best.

I've personally always found this to be a good overview of security issues involved in both protocols in VOIP:

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6714161/

(Sci-Hub approved)

There are certain parts of the industry hesitant to transition for the possibility of security mis-configurations and human errors, the picture that the VOIP industry as a whole holds no interest in security is false. It could definitely improve, but that doesn't just apply to VOIP.

acdha|8 years ago

It's not an opinion or unrelated but an analogy to another case where there's very strong evidence of a massive benefit with very little downside which is being objected to based on conspiracy theories and lack of concern for the damage to anyone foolish enough to believe them.

notheguyouthink|8 years ago

> That makes more sense than trying to force a completely unrelated opinion into a conversation.

I'm curious, at what point does that opinion become fact? Isn't the evidence overwhelming?

I mainly ask because it feels like if the evidence for vaccination were not sufficient to warrant it as more than simply an opinion, wouldn't many other things become merely opinion too?