[ivcha]

I have to say that I stopped reading after the first point, which does not make any sense to me at all. Phd is so much different from undergrad, in terms of responsibilities and overall role at the university, aside from comparing doing research and courses.

[_m8fo]

I disagree that a PhD is "so much different from undergrad". In both cases a PhD and an undergraduate is paying for access to a professor. Do you disagree?

[jjoonathan]

Yes. The professor / grad student relationship is essentially manager / employee, in that the professor acquires resources (grants), sets direction, manages, and politicks for the group while the grad students create the actual deliverables (perform experiments, write papers, help with grants and rec letters, train new members of the lab, etc).

Professor / undergrad is a very different relationship since the undergrad is not creating deliverables that will help further the professor / research group's goals.