[lostboys67]

so you think going back to pre 1900 isolationism will work let alone the moral issue of abandoning the USA's role in the world is a good idea.

I suppose Liz II could take you back and put Prince Hal in charge :-)

[grandalf]

Not isolationism, simply democratic approval for the scope, budget, and success criteria of military action, and an honest discussion of national interest that doesn't involve fear mongering or appeals to xenophobia or racism.

And while I personally view the doctrine of American Exceptionalism as a sort of evil religion that causes much worldwide suffering, I could tolerate it if there was a corresponding definition of national interest that could be used to assess the claims of our political leaders.

Its not a choice between the modern massive federal\military bureaucracy and serfdom.

[lostboys67]

Not fucking up and have you president do your version of Suez id rather USA have a role on the world stage than welcome our new Mandarin or Russian speaking overlords