Intel Core with Radeon RX Vega M Graphics Launched: HP, Dell, and Intel NUC

[a012]

OP added "ATI" by themselves rather than keeping original one. What a shame.

Anyway:

> t provides an additional six displays up to 4K with the Intel HD graphics that has three, giving a total of nine outputs. The Radeon Graphics supports DisplayPort 1.4 with HDR and HDMI 2.0b with HDR10 support, along with FreeSync/FreeSync2. As a result, when the graphics output changes from Intel HD Graphics to Radeon graphics, users will have access to FreeSync, as well as enough displays to shake a stick at (if the device has all the outputs).

Yes, if those NOCs/HTPCs provide all of those capabilities, otherwise it's just marketing words. In reality, only top notch has more than 1 DisplayPort, I guess.

[jdietrich]

The already-announced Hades Canyon NUC has 2x DisplayPort, 2x HDMI 2.0a and 2x Thunderbolt 3. That amounts to six ports capable of driving a 4K display. Thunderbolt 3 ports can drive two 4K displays at 60Hz if the controller supports it.

I suspect that other products using this processor will be less generous in terms of connectivity, simply because it's total overkill for the overwhelming majority of users.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12226/intels-hades-canyon-nuc...

[prewett]

This way does emphasize the incongruity of Intel and AMD in one product. I like it.

However, I read the article hoping to figure out why Intel is doing this, and no luck there. Are they giving up on the Intel graphics?

[mrmondo]

Sorry, force of habit I guess - mods feel free to correct if you notice this as I can’t edit the title after posting.

[rwx------]

'but still no ECC' Are these cpus going to be useless without ECC memroy?

[dna_polymerase]

These are designed for mobile computers, notebooks for that matter. You don't need ECC in notebooks (consumer hardware). So no they are not useless.

[Tsiklon]

I could imagine an OEM like Apple or Dell looking at these to free up space in their board layout on their notebooks or small form factor computers

In such a scenario ECC memory is not really a high priority, no?

Looking at the PCI-Express lanes available those other 8 CPU lanes look ripe for a thunderbolt 3 controller, with the rest of the peripherals being powered from the PCH (or does that make no sense at all?)

[mozumder]

Not sure why Intel just doesn't release a full system in package for a basic laptop system, with 16GB or 32GB main memory and 256GB or 512GB of NVMe flash?

I think Intel still makes flash chips and they originally started out as a DRAM manufacturer as well..

[stonogo]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits...

You can ask them, I guess.

[mrweasel]

Because that would mean discarding an entire package if just one component failed or is damaged during production.

It would also mean that manufacturers would have to order different parts for two systems that are identical, expect from memory or storage. In your example, with 16 or 32GB of RAM and 256 or 512GB of storage, you'd end up having to order four different SKUs from Intel, and Intel would have to manufacture four different SKUs, plus one without memory and storage.

Logistically I don't think it makes sense to add storage and memory to the package, it just adds inflexibility and more SKUs.

[maxsilver]

They make something similar. An Intel NUC is basically a full system laptop, with the laptop-specific bits missing (no screen, keyboard, battery, etc).

You can buy it barebones, but you can also buy some of them with everything pre-installed (including RAM and flash storage and licensed Windows OS)

[chx]

While the main business of Intel around 1980s was certainly DRAM, their first product was SRAM.

[pjc50]

That's a pretty massive "package", more like a small motherboard. You'd want to spread them out a bit for thermal reasons.

[raverbashing]

I think all the x86 complexity prevents them from doing that

[sleavey]

Why are AMD helping to sell a competitor's product? The article says it's strictly business, but I would have thought the quick buck made today by selling graphics chips to Intel would be outweighed by the long term benefit (e.g. growth in the combined CPU/GPU market) this provides to Intel.

[frou_dh]

Maybe the likes of Apple said to Intel: "Look, if you don't find a way to supply GREAT integrated graphics, we're going to do our own laptop chips".

So Intel goes cap-in-hand to AMD for their tech.

[fgonzag]

This is a joint venture against Nvidia basically. ML is the next big thing, and Nvidia has smartly positioned GPUs as the best way to do ML. AMD needs to claw back marketshare from Nvidia, and partnering with Intel is a quick way to do it. Intel also needs to keep Nvidia in check.

Now they should co-develop and promote a well designed open source ML framework, something that can compete with CUDA. AMD isn't up to the task, but Intel is.

[Shivetya]

perhaps both sides don't want Nvidia to dominate the graphics market?

[PascLeRasc]

AMD isn't able to compete well in the SFF desktop/heavy laptop market. Ryzen is great but they don't have any mobile offerings.

[msh]

Well a big customer of both like Apple could make them play ball.

[justinclift]

Hopefully the new Mac Mini's use these. If the Mac Mini line ever does get updated that is. :)

[jacksonsabey]

The new AMD APUs don't have ECC support either, I'm hopeful the future versions will

[sp332]

Why would they disable ECC support for the APU version?

[make3]

Imagine if Intel ended up buying AMD.. That'd be weird (and bad).

[bartread]

In the UK that sort of merger would almost certainly be blocked by the Competition Commission: I'd be interested to hear what the situation is in the US, where Intel and AMD are based.

[Shivetya]

Seems like a combination tailor made for Apple yet nothing I have read points to Apple actually using it, Dell and HP I have seen mentioned.

[leandrod]

One question: free drivers?

[gsich]

ATI has been bought by AMD in 2006.

[capisce]

AMD, not ATI.

[mrmondo]

Whoops - s/ATI/AMD

[pricetag]

I wonder what this will do for $INTC?

[itsnotvalid]

Just also wonder if this CPU is free from meltdown.

[smallnamespace]

How ironic that AMD itself doesn't have an integrated full performance GPU/CPU package (cut-down APUs notwithstanding).

Also who negotiated the deal to let Intel slap only its logo on the packaging, even though the AMD die is clearly larger?

[TazeTSchnitzel]

It's a “semi-custom” deal, like with the AMD silicon in PS4 and Xbox One, so the company getting it made for them (Intel) gets their name on the chip.

[adrianratnapala]

Also who negotiated the deal to let Intel slap only its logo on the packaging, even though the AMD die is clearly larger?

Well, take a wild guess at which way the money is going to flow.

[dna_polymerase]

Are Meltdown and Spectre pre-installed or do I have to download them via the Intel ME? \s

I don't know how they have the audacity to release new CPUs while all their products just went to shit...

[prewett]

Yeah, because all they have to do is just tweak some code and re-release... /s It takes 2 - 4 years to design a chip. If Intel doesn't release the new chip they started designing 2 - 4 years ago, they waste that development cost, fall behind AMD, and you complain that they are behind the times. If they do release the chip you complain they haven't fixed the bug you just learned about a week ago. It took a year for everyone to fix their software, and you want Intel to magically come out with new hardware? Sheesh.

I think all the "Intel sucks" comments should have a disclaimer "Full disclosure: I've never designed hardware in my life, I have no idea how to run a business, I really just hate Intel and this is an excuse to vent my hatred."

[t3rmi]

The partnership with Radeon was a big deal sometime ago. They couldn't not release it. AMD would have been pissed.

[pjmlp]

What else are you going to buy instead?