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wheresmyusern | 8 years ago

why is it shocking?

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Hasz|8 years ago

If you accept the idea that a penchant for math is randomly distributed among all people, then the odds of 55/56 men winning by chance are very, very, very low.

ajkjk|8 years ago

That gap also exists in the middle-school and high-school levels [0] (at least in the US), so it fully reduces to the simpler question of why that's true. We should be able to agree that by the time we're discussing professional mathematics there's no expectation that it would be randomly distributed among genders.

[0] https://economics.mit.edu/files/7598 (admittedly a bit old; maybe a lot has changed in ~10 years?)

cycrutchfield|8 years ago

All it would require is just that the standard deviation for math ability in men (whether by nature or nurture, I am making no judgment either way) is only very slightly higher than for women. Since we are looking at the tail of the distribution, the result would not be surprising.

notzorbo3|8 years ago

> If you accept the idea that a penchant for math is randomly distributed among all people

That would seem rather detached from reality.

sannee|8 years ago

> penchant for math is randomly distributed among all people

Fields medals are not awarded based on "penchant for math" though. And it surely isn't exactly fault of the prize committee that there aren't very many female mathematicians to choose from.

Note: I don't know if 55/56 is "correct" from the point of the actual numbers.

cc81|8 years ago

One argument that some have is that men have a more extreme distribution of IQ and mathematical ability and when it comes to things like the Fields medal it is the few extreme ones that make an impact.

I don't know how well done those studies are though.

EDIT: I doubt it is that big though.

ars|8 years ago

> a penchant for math is randomly distributed among all people

As politically difficult as it is to say, intelligence is NOT distributed randomly among all people.

Not by sex, not by race.

77pt77|8 years ago

> If you accept the idea that a penchant for math is randomly distributed among all people

Is there any experimental support for such an assumption?

drb91|8 years ago

You also need the assumption that the judges are unbiased and that people have equal opportunities.

Lots of room for explanation from many angles here.

addicted|8 years ago

The penchant for math is probably randomly distributed between men and women.

But all that is overshadowed by the fact that culturally and societally women are heavily discouraged from entering and succeeding in fields like math. This begins right from childhood, where an abacus may make a good toy for a boy, while the appropriate toy for a girl would be a mini kitchen set.

Fortunately a lot of this is changing, however, the benefits of no longer discouraging 50% of the population from entering science/engineering won't be felt for another couple of generations.

YeGoblynQueenne|8 years ago

If you think about it, a 55/56 ratio (.98) is only commensurate with a distribution of mathematical talent by which the vast majority of women can't add 2 and 2 together.

Like, it would not even justified by women being "somewhat" less good at maths at the high level than men. Women would have to be really, really bad at maths for that to be a natural result.

javiramos|8 years ago

I meant shocking as in causing dismay, not surprising.

Women are vastly underrepresented in math.

quickthrower2|8 years ago

50/56 is more likely. To get to 55/56 is quite an outlier.