[MollyR]

I gave a realistic solution for the united states, One that I have personally seen work.

You will not be able to do a gun grab without a civil war or extreme violence in the united states.

[FireBeyond]

And yet as an EMS responder, I've seen and heard personally of the challenges that come with it.

There are cases where shooters have been brought down by "a good guy with a gun".

There are others where there have been plenty of armed security around, even police, and it's done nothing to stop things.

And there's been cases where now you have a bunch of inconsistently trained people running around an active shooter scene, confused and terrified, possibly injuring bystanders or each other. "Hey, are you the shooter?" Shooter: "no, i'm just like you, hunting him too!" (if indeed the reaction is not "see gun, shoot").

[MollyR]

I'm not advocating for random people with guns, but law enforcement officers.

>There are others where there have been plenty of armed security around, even police, and it's done nothing to stop things.

Just because a small number of bad cops haven't done their job, doesn't I mean I think we get should get rid of all cops.

[FireBeyond]

The defining moment for me was Sandy Hook, when it was "decided" that the murder of 20 six to seven year olds was an acceptable "but regrettable" price for the freedom to bear arms.