The author makes the argument that all websites look the same because of Google, but never really gives a reason why... (besides name dropping "PageRank" once)
Then it goes on to say that same experience (or more accurately the lack of a "unique" experience) is why they have poor conversion rates.
Then it blames the website for causing an increased spending in customer service, pointing to this as the reason why they think brands will start "closing" their websites.
But every step of the way I think the author is way off. Websites don't look like that because Google's "PageRank" is forcing them to somehow, and that look and feel isn't the reason why conversions are bad.
In my opinion, websites look like that because a useful website follows some guidelines, and that may make it look "bland" but at least I know to look for my "cart" at the top-right of the page (or even have the concept of a "cart").
Also, I think the reason why conversions are bad is because retailers looked at the web for years as an afterthought. The reason only a handful of large companies are doing well on the web is because so few treated it as well as they treat their storefronts. You can't treat the internet as an afterthought, you need to build your business around it. Amazon, eBay, Overstock, and others have done this, they spent the time, money, and engineering to do it right, and do it fast. Someone like Nike throws something slow and cumbersome to use together as an afterthought just to have one.
If websites start closing, it's not because of the "big bad google", it's because ecommerce is hard, just like how some online-only or online-first companies are now finding out how hard brick-and-mortar really is.
> In 1995, I came up with the technology for those chat windows that pop up on websites.
An e-commerce site is a tool to sell stuff. You need a product I want to buy, and then make it easy for me to buy it. 95% of marketing efforts do the opposite.
I'll take a plain e-commerce site with minimal JS any day. No infinite scroll. No weird AJAX sorting or calls for anything other than checkout or search. No chat windows that pop up. Talk about a bad user experience.
There is no need to innovate here, although that's not to say it's easy. But e.g. Amazon's success comes from almost everything but their website, which is not great but functional. Ships when they say it will ship. Good refund policy. Doesn't spam me with marketing emails. Dare I say trustworthy?
Now, if people aren't interested in your products by the time they get to your store page, that's a different issue. And yeah, some marketing will convert customers, but at the expense of others.
Maybe unsurprisingly, Apple does a decent job: glitzy landing/product pages, toned down and clear shopping pages. What's in the box, shows you what the different options cost, compare models, FAQ, etc. Take note. (Big catalogues won't have custom product pages, but other than that these lessons still apply. The amount of times I cannot tell one product from another without a diff tool is too often.)
The author says "We are already working with several large brands to make this a reality," which clearly indicates this is an op-ed from the CEO of a AI/bot-making company.
So no surprise he's predicting a future that benefits him. Fearmongering at its best.
I'm just gonna flag the story and hopes it disappears from my feed, like I do with 3/4 TechCrunch stories these days.
I think your absolutely right. The vast majority of UIs are okay and get the job done. I've rarely not ordered something because the UI was too bad.
But, I have to admit, the author is right on one account. Alot of websites these days are lurching from one page to another, just to score more page views or something, rather than a Single page app.
And, I hope goolge doesn't think their done with search.
Google doesn't always do a great job of ranking the best products and sites at the top. Sometimes it's downright awful. On a number of occassions, I've had to click through each of the first 10 results and the next 10 and still not finding exactly what i want. And, I've found that if google can't find it in the top 20, it usually doesn't find it in the next 20 either. But, I'm sure it exists somewhere.
It’s interesting to me that the most successful general ecommerce sites have a visually utilitarian appearance, with emphasis on function over form (so to speak).
Brand websites have the extra burden of trying infuse their sites with a unique brand identity. Companies that sell directly on the internet, and have enough products that they have need for a “catalog” to present products, have an extra challenge.
Such brand websites carry a heavy load, as they serve marketing/brand identity, suppport, contact, communication, and ecommerce functions. Throw in the mind-f*ck of “responsive design” and it’s not surprising some websites fall short.
The OPs thesis seems dubious, as he proposes no alternative for anything that could possibly fulfill all these functions.
Ecommerce is hard but its also telling that Gucci can't just sell on their own website, while they have a site where you can buy Gucci they are also forced to have an amazon presence as well. Amazon are a big deal because people want to put out their personal information on the web as little as possible. The more you can get everything you need from Amazon you can limit your exposure to your credit card being on the web only to Amazon and not to hundreds of individual sites. Maybe in the future if the world goes to crypto Amazon will lose this advantage. But for now they have a big advantage in the breadth of items they offer such that even a powerful brand like Gucci is forced to sell on Amazon even though they have their own website and in theory could impose a monopoly over access to Gucci products on their own website. However that requires shoppers to setup their credit card on Gucci, another site besides Amazon. Every other site you have to sign up for you're taking a risk with your personal information being misused. Amazon's lack of being hacked for persona information is one of the huge drivers of this consumer loyalty even when Amazon often make mistakes, they don't make the mistake of leaking your credit card information. They might marked something as delivered when its not and have brutal restocking fees but people are willing to put up with the nasty parts of Amazon because they feel their credit card is safe on file with them.
Thank you!
This guy dismisses conventional UX as some sort of bad thing while starting out saying that everyone's unique experience was a huge headache in the early web.
And the a huge reason why Google even took off was because of how completely bland it's experience was.
I'm not saying there aren't things that need to be improved, but the sudden death of the website? Oh, cmon.
It's a dystopian prediction. The WWW is what makes the Internet great.
If a company would take down their website, they would lose a lot of customers, including me. I don't use Facebook and only use a few mobile apps. I'm also looking for a way to get rid of my smartphone.
I don't want conversations. I want information. If the info is already missing in a web page I fail to see how a virtual salesperson saying "well, I don't know" is going to sell better.
Case in point: I'm cleaning up a house to live in and we need a new kitchen sink. The problem is there was already one there so we want to buy a replacement that is bigger than the current cut out in the counter and also fits nicely with the pipe installation.
Searching for a sink online has been a nightmare: if there are schematics (which are often missing) there is always some key information left out like the depth of the bowl.
This includes the king of online retail: Amazon lists package size and nothing else. When was the last time the package size influenced your purchase?
Buying in person hasn't been much better and the prices are almost double! At least I can bring my measuring tape and do the schematics myself, though I still hate getting pitched by salespeople that often know much less than me after a 20-min online research.
In the end we're going for the cheapest one that has a reasonable return policy. Who cares about the more expensive ones if, for all I know, the only difference is their aesthetics?
This is such a common pattern I started dreading buying online. I'm tired of hunting for the specs on Google. That's the shop's only job!
IMHO the article is nothing more than an advertisement for the author's business. Maybe he's sure of the paradigm shift but I'm definitely not because an actually useful conversational assistant requires both competence, effort and, more importantly, exposes the seller to risks (official information = contractual obligation, which is IMHO the reason you will not get the answers IRL or via customer support either).
He says things are going to move to conversational commerce? Alexa at best can re-order something that I've bought before. If I need a new product, the amount of information and comparison that I do (as well as checking reviews) doesn't lead well to a conversational model.
It's not like we walk into a B&M store and just talk to a salesperson. We examine the products, the packaging, the information presented about those products, we look around near by and see what else in a similar category is in the store.
Conversational commerce moves to an even lower bandwidth information transfer. With websites we can absorb way more info than we can with a chat bot. At best it will augment current experiences.
Maybe I'm wrong, and there are some products that are well suited to this model, but I'm failing to come up with any.
I hate conversations when I'm shopping. If a chipper salesperson walks over and starts chatting me up or making small talk, I will immediately turn around and walk out, and I'm an extrovert. I want to look at price, price per unit/spec, hold the thing if quality is relevant, then make a purchase. The less you pitch to me, the more likely I'll buy.
This is a nonsense ad for someone's services. I don't want websites to work totally differently from each other, nor does anyone else. Instead, I want to be able to find the information that I want, or be able to quickly acquire the services I want. There's a false premise about brick-and-mortar stores here too. Brick-and-mortar stores aren't radically different from each other either,; I expect doors to look like doors, windows to look like windows, and when I look for the bathroom I should be able to figure out how to use it. The notion that every website has to look radically different from each other is nonsense from people who are too excited about making new designs instead of wanting to help other people. Let's let's have fewer fads and more thinking about people, please.
The author I'm pretty sure never even mentioned trust, which is a big reason I stick to Amazon. You never know who on earth or what hackneyed system is on the other end of a credit card form. I like the fact that Amazon lets me order with my voice, and I like the fact that Amazon lets me order from any number of millions of merchants without fear of my credit card getting stolen (or at least, less fear than usual). The few times I checkout at other random websites I always use PayPal to avoid giving away valuable info.
I'd argue that conversational interfaces for retail would only be good for standardised commodities - 6 medium hens eggs, a pack of 10 M6 screws, a ream of A4 paper etc - i.e. stuff that you don't care about the brand or specifics, you just need some eggs etc.
Websites could do A LOT better by concentrating on putting better product info on their site: proper high res pictures from multiple angles (e.g. for products in boxes, show me every side of the box that I can zoom in and read the text on), descriptions that aren't just copy-paste marketing B.S., and proper measurements/sizes/specifications. That'd go a long way toward reducing confused shoppers having to call a help centre...
Personally, if I have to talk to someone at a store (online or not), they've already started to annoy me. I just want to get my stuff then carry on with the more important things in life.
Plus what is it about chatbots that is getting people so excited? Anyone that has an Alexa or Google home will tell you they are frustrating and irritating to use and a long way away from doing anything useful apart from trivial stuff like setting kitchen timers or stilted and excruciatingly awkward question-answer settings.
It seems like this guy is trying to advocate for conversational interfaces (what a surprise, given his company). They were all the rage 1-2 years ago, and I think right now we're probably in the "Trough of disillusionment" in the Hype Cycle. I wonder if the author is simply behind everyone else on the curve and harboring unrealistic expectations, or truly sees where that technology will fit into our lives. Given his prediction of a "major website" shutting down this year, I would lean more towards disillusionment.
I think many are coming to the conclusion that proper natural language understanding will require more than just a deep feed-forward network with back-propagation.
Google didn't kill e-commerce. Amazon killed it. People are sick of creating accounts on every single web site out there. Who wants to enter your credit card info on some random web site? How do you know if you can trust them? And then, when you do successfully place an order, you end up having to pay shipping and handling, and it doesn't come for two weeks. Compare that to one click shopping on amazon.com, and one-day free shipping. Independent e-commerce sites just can't compete with that.
In no country does Amazon have more than 40% online market share and in many it is far lower; 16% in the UK for example.
Other retailers can compete on many aspects; for example in the UK Amazon is completely locked-out of online groceries by the big supermarkets. Or hobby specialists who know their market well, a UK example being Hannants who work closely with the model-kit industry.
And most other retailers don't require an annual fee for decent service, such as dispatching within a week...
Nobody killed ecommerce. Amazon is not going to have a majority share of all ecommerce. As the total market expands, doubling in the next decade, Amazon's share will decline.
Amazon has a very early lead due to having invested more heavily into it, and sooner, than any other major retailer. Despite being a quarter century in, this is still early into the shift to ecommerce in the US and most developed economies (eg only 6% of retail sales in Italy are online).
Online is all that Amazon was. It makes sense they'd have an outsized position at this point versus everybody else. They're benefiting from that aggressive early mover advantage (it took Walmart 20 years just to get an effective online strategy going, probably because they rested on their laurels, as most giants do; and now their online sales are booming). Amazon isn't going to be a trillion dollar sales company, their current ecommerce market share is not going to hold. The fear, paranoia, propaganda, etc. is very overblown at this stage. We're at peak Amazon mania, similar to Microsoft mania in the late 1990s when Microsoft was going to own everything and each proclamation about them conquering the planet was breathlessly read and believed.
Here's the reality of Amazon: they're the latest Walmart, which was the latest Sears. It's meaningless. They're a great retailer, and some day 20 years into the future there will be a superior retailer that supplants them. Amazon retail is a giant online catalog of goods & services. Building it up into something more than what it is, doesn't make sense. Online isn't special.
What this guy says makes no sense whatsoever... for anybody that knows a peanut about the matter. But he is speaking to business types, and among those, technical knowledge is less prevalent. Probably he wants to start another meme infection of "the web is going to die" among investors and business analysts...
It doesn't seem that long there were plenty of people predicting that mobile apps were also going to render websites obsolete, but that didn't really happen, at least nothing like the extent that was predicted. In fact most of the main app only experiences like instagram have ended up creating web interfaces anyway.
Maybe it will eventually happen but this article predicts some major brands shutting down their websites this year, which is like saying cryptocurrencies will start replacing cash in some major western countries this year. The only real value I can see in a brand shutting down it's website for a chatbot only service right now is the the free publicity they will get for doing so. Websites are normally relatively cheap to run so there is no real reason to kill them off unless it's getting no traffic compared to the chatbot channels and from my own experiences in this area, chatbots aren't even close to website use yet (but I am in Australia, where things like Alexa and Google Home are quite new in the market compared to the US).
I think everyone is thinking about chatbots and conversational interfaces backwards.
Consumers should be the ones building chatbots to talk to brands not vice versa. The brands can use NLP and AI to partially automate much of the conversation, but it needs to be consumer driven... too much of the promise of chatbots requires breaking down barriers and as long as brands control their own experience and every bot is siloed, the real pain of consumers and current ecommerce wont be solved...
Too much of technology today is focused on optimizing businesses and ends up the end users.
Online advertising is a protection racket where publishers steal and hold customers hostage and sell them to the highest bidder...all the middleware is optimized around grabbing your piece of the advertising pie without caring about the end users or the advertisers...in the meantime, its just driving up costs to deliver value...
We need a buyer driven market...we need long term visionaries who stop optimizing to business revenue and cost savings and optimize to GROWING THE OVERALL MARKET!!! optimize to what really serves customers and advertisers instead of these short aighted plays solving problems the previous startup created...
We wouldnt need facebook ads if our competitors werent reaching our customers on google and we wouldnt need content marketing if publishers actually tried to serve advertisers instead of just trying to drive up their costs...
These companies are thinking about everything backwards imho.
>Consumers should be the ones building chatbots to talk to brands not vice versa.
There was a lot of sci-fi ish talk, back in the day, about 'agents' or 'smart personal agents' or thinks like that; where we'd all have a team of semi-intelligent bots that would go off and do things on our behalf.
It's interesting that we kinda have some of this now, but as you say, it's reversed; the agents are owned by the company that is trying to sell us something, so rather than negotiating for us, they negotiate against us.
> Consumers should be the ones building chatbots to talk to brands not vice versa.
I agree with your general feeling, because they should act like invisible friends, looking at us and doing everything we need, best of before we even ask.
Unfortunately it looks as feasible as "consumers should be the ones building a search engine to index the internet". Impossible unless some company offers it to them as a service, best if at no (apparent) cost.
My dream in the 90s before the web was to get an assistant running on my hardware at home, somehow getting info about the world and talking to me. After the web it become clear that the assistant would have to interface the web and after the mobile phone (think old Nokias) its interface would be that. After the smartphone there would be a camera, a microphone, GPS, other sensors that I could trust because they would be sending data to my hardware and my software, not to some company that wants to exploit me. Unfortunately I worked on something else (web development) which was more profitable to me and everybody else did the same. We have things like Own Cloud but no Own Alexa.
What we'll get in the next year are better versions of centralized services like Google Now, Alexa and Siri. Centralized services that we can't trust to behave in our best interest.
Some commerce sites do have complicated problems. Ones where there are size and color options, but not all sizes and color combinations are available, have user interface problems.
Car parts sites are getting good. They mostly now take the make and model of your car, and then give you a site that only shows items for that model.
Industrial parts sites, especially for electronics, range from excellent to terrible. They have huge catalogs of very specific parts, and you need a specialized search engine to navigate them. Those things are not conversational; they're table driven.
I am finding that for many things, there is someone who's occupied a niche with a great website and catalog, and looking for the same stuff on Amazon or eBay will turn up mediocrity, garbage, or nothing.
But if you don't do some research on the specs of what you want to buy, you easily get funneled into Amazon.
For instance, I wanted a cable for my printer. If I look on Amazon for XYZ printer cable, they will happily sell me one. It's very easy to find something when you do a simple minded search.
But actually, it is a generic cable, and Amazon's listings have simply been spammed with every printer model name in creation.
When I realized that, I went to a site that specializes in cables, and looked for a product based on the connector types. Doing that gave me real choices (such as the cable length, whether it has a ferrite core, etc.), detailed specs, and on top of that, much cheaper prices.
The specific retailer or specialty doesn't matter - my point is that I am getting into (and advocate) the mindset that when I want something and it's not available locally, I start by thinking "I know someone is making a living by outdoing Amazon in a particular niche - how can I find their website?" Other random examples include chocolate and kitchen equipment.
The effectiveness of Amazon as a baseline means, I think, that anyone with a thriving online business has to be something special these days.
>As Google made it easier to find the world’s information, it also started to dictate the rules through the PageRank algorithm, which forced companies to design their websites in a certain way
Page rank is not dictated by website design, and it's not the reason many websites share the same components... UX is, we have found the proven path and following it makes it easier for our users.
Los of other valuable criticism in the site's own comments as well...
A bold prediction. Don't think it'll come true. I do think that the way we discover answers to our questions online will change though. I'm not saying Google's days are numbered, but it's about time we saw some additional innovation in this space. Google has this underlying requirement to continually bolster ad revenue before releasing tech, and I feel this actually stifles it's ability to innovate in the search space...
> The brand will shift how it connects with consumers — to conversations, with a combination of bots and humans, through a messaging front end like SMS or Facebook. We are already working with several large brands to make this a reality.
This is arguably happening in third world countries. At least in Indonesia (which I'm familiar with), a lot of new businesses don't bother with websites but relied on things like Facebook, Instagram, or WhatsApp (coincidentally these are own by the same guy) to reach out to customers and get orders.
I'm not sure companies will forgo websites entirely, but "dumb" websites is a trend I think will continue. I doubt many people do anything on the Snapchat website, for instance.
I expect media to continue to move to TVs and dedicated apps, and the reasons outlined by the author for commerce to move away from the open web are somewhat convincing, as well. Looking at my own behavior, I usually search Amazon before Google when I want to buy something - take that trend further and searching the web, vs searching an app store, becomes less and less important for business.
In the happy version of this scenario, the web returns to being a great place for text and knowledge storage. There will be ads as long as there are eyeballs, but if the number of eyeballs drops again, does the reason to create clickbait and other purely-ad/eyeball-driven "content" drop too?
But compared to the author, I think it has a lot more to do with phones and devices, and the needs to create experiences aimed at them, than Google. Who wants to sit on the couch with a laptop instead of an iPad? Who wants to use a mobile website instead of a dedicated app? Even what looks like a super-thin wrapper (the Amazon app) is still a nicer experience than using amazon.com on a tablet or phone.
[+] [-] Klathmon|8 years ago|reply
The author makes the argument that all websites look the same because of Google, but never really gives a reason why... (besides name dropping "PageRank" once)
Then it goes on to say that same experience (or more accurately the lack of a "unique" experience) is why they have poor conversion rates.
Then it blames the website for causing an increased spending in customer service, pointing to this as the reason why they think brands will start "closing" their websites.
But every step of the way I think the author is way off. Websites don't look like that because Google's "PageRank" is forcing them to somehow, and that look and feel isn't the reason why conversions are bad.
In my opinion, websites look like that because a useful website follows some guidelines, and that may make it look "bland" but at least I know to look for my "cart" at the top-right of the page (or even have the concept of a "cart").
Also, I think the reason why conversions are bad is because retailers looked at the web for years as an afterthought. The reason only a handful of large companies are doing well on the web is because so few treated it as well as they treat their storefronts. You can't treat the internet as an afterthought, you need to build your business around it. Amazon, eBay, Overstock, and others have done this, they spent the time, money, and engineering to do it right, and do it fast. Someone like Nike throws something slow and cumbersome to use together as an afterthought just to have one.
If websites start closing, it's not because of the "big bad google", it's because ecommerce is hard, just like how some online-only or online-first companies are now finding out how hard brick-and-mortar really is.
[+] [-] guitarbill|8 years ago|reply
An e-commerce site is a tool to sell stuff. You need a product I want to buy, and then make it easy for me to buy it. 95% of marketing efforts do the opposite.
I'll take a plain e-commerce site with minimal JS any day. No infinite scroll. No weird AJAX sorting or calls for anything other than checkout or search. No chat windows that pop up. Talk about a bad user experience.
There is no need to innovate here, although that's not to say it's easy. But e.g. Amazon's success comes from almost everything but their website, which is not great but functional. Ships when they say it will ship. Good refund policy. Doesn't spam me with marketing emails. Dare I say trustworthy?
Now, if people aren't interested in your products by the time they get to your store page, that's a different issue. And yeah, some marketing will convert customers, but at the expense of others.
Maybe unsurprisingly, Apple does a decent job: glitzy landing/product pages, toned down and clear shopping pages. What's in the box, shows you what the different options cost, compare models, FAQ, etc. Take note. (Big catalogues won't have custom product pages, but other than that these lessons still apply. The amount of times I cannot tell one product from another without a diff tool is too often.)
[+] [-] wvenable|8 years ago|reply
"As much as 90 percent of calls placed to a company’s contact center originate from its website."
Nobody gets a Yellowpages in the mail anymore. If I want to call a business I have to go to their website just to look up the phone number.
[+] [-] campuscodi|8 years ago|reply
So no surprise he's predicting a future that benefits him. Fearmongering at its best.
I'm just gonna flag the story and hopes it disappears from my feed, like I do with 3/4 TechCrunch stories these days.
[+] [-] pascalxus|8 years ago|reply
But, I have to admit, the author is right on one account. Alot of websites these days are lurching from one page to another, just to score more page views or something, rather than a Single page app.
And, I hope goolge doesn't think their done with search. Google doesn't always do a great job of ranking the best products and sites at the top. Sometimes it's downright awful. On a number of occassions, I've had to click through each of the first 10 results and the next 10 and still not finding exactly what i want. And, I've found that if google can't find it in the top 20, it usually doesn't find it in the next 20 either. But, I'm sure it exists somewhere.
[+] [-] b1daly|8 years ago|reply
Brand websites have the extra burden of trying infuse their sites with a unique brand identity. Companies that sell directly on the internet, and have enough products that they have need for a “catalog” to present products, have an extra challenge.
Such brand websites carry a heavy load, as they serve marketing/brand identity, suppport, contact, communication, and ecommerce functions. Throw in the mind-f*ck of “responsive design” and it’s not surprising some websites fall short.
The OPs thesis seems dubious, as he proposes no alternative for anything that could possibly fulfill all these functions.
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[+] [-] natecavanaugh|8 years ago|reply
And the a huge reason why Google even took off was because of how completely bland it's experience was.
I'm not saying there aren't things that need to be improved, but the sudden death of the website? Oh, cmon.
[+] [-] JoshMnem|8 years ago|reply
If a company would take down their website, they would lose a lot of customers, including me. I don't use Facebook and only use a few mobile apps. I'm also looking for a way to get rid of my smartphone.
[+] [-] kaoD|8 years ago|reply
Case in point: I'm cleaning up a house to live in and we need a new kitchen sink. The problem is there was already one there so we want to buy a replacement that is bigger than the current cut out in the counter and also fits nicely with the pipe installation.
Searching for a sink online has been a nightmare: if there are schematics (which are often missing) there is always some key information left out like the depth of the bowl.
This includes the king of online retail: Amazon lists package size and nothing else. When was the last time the package size influenced your purchase?
Buying in person hasn't been much better and the prices are almost double! At least I can bring my measuring tape and do the schematics myself, though I still hate getting pitched by salespeople that often know much less than me after a 20-min online research.
In the end we're going for the cheapest one that has a reasonable return policy. Who cares about the more expensive ones if, for all I know, the only difference is their aesthetics?
This is such a common pattern I started dreading buying online. I'm tired of hunting for the specs on Google. That's the shop's only job!
IMHO the article is nothing more than an advertisement for the author's business. Maybe he's sure of the paradigm shift but I'm definitely not because an actually useful conversational assistant requires both competence, effort and, more importantly, exposes the seller to risks (official information = contractual obligation, which is IMHO the reason you will not get the answers IRL or via customer support either).
[+] [-] koverda|8 years ago|reply
He says things are going to move to conversational commerce? Alexa at best can re-order something that I've bought before. If I need a new product, the amount of information and comparison that I do (as well as checking reviews) doesn't lead well to a conversational model.
It's not like we walk into a B&M store and just talk to a salesperson. We examine the products, the packaging, the information presented about those products, we look around near by and see what else in a similar category is in the store.
Conversational commerce moves to an even lower bandwidth information transfer. With websites we can absorb way more info than we can with a chat bot. At best it will augment current experiences.
Maybe I'm wrong, and there are some products that are well suited to this model, but I'm failing to come up with any.
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[+] [-] mattlondon|8 years ago|reply
Websites could do A LOT better by concentrating on putting better product info on their site: proper high res pictures from multiple angles (e.g. for products in boxes, show me every side of the box that I can zoom in and read the text on), descriptions that aren't just copy-paste marketing B.S., and proper measurements/sizes/specifications. That'd go a long way toward reducing confused shoppers having to call a help centre...
Personally, if I have to talk to someone at a store (online or not), they've already started to annoy me. I just want to get my stuff then carry on with the more important things in life.
Plus what is it about chatbots that is getting people so excited? Anyone that has an Alexa or Google home will tell you they are frustrating and irritating to use and a long way away from doing anything useful apart from trivial stuff like setting kitchen timers or stilted and excruciatingly awkward question-answer settings.
[+] [-] Wehrdo|8 years ago|reply
I think many are coming to the conclusion that proper natural language understanding will require more than just a deep feed-forward network with back-propagation.
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[+] [-] dingaling|8 years ago|reply
Other retailers can compete on many aspects; for example in the UK Amazon is completely locked-out of online groceries by the big supermarkets. Or hobby specialists who know their market well, a UK example being Hannants who work closely with the model-kit industry.
And most other retailers don't require an annual fee for decent service, such as dispatching within a week...
[+] [-] adventured|8 years ago|reply
Amazon has a very early lead due to having invested more heavily into it, and sooner, than any other major retailer. Despite being a quarter century in, this is still early into the shift to ecommerce in the US and most developed economies (eg only 6% of retail sales in Italy are online).
Online is all that Amazon was. It makes sense they'd have an outsized position at this point versus everybody else. They're benefiting from that aggressive early mover advantage (it took Walmart 20 years just to get an effective online strategy going, probably because they rested on their laurels, as most giants do; and now their online sales are booming). Amazon isn't going to be a trillion dollar sales company, their current ecommerce market share is not going to hold. The fear, paranoia, propaganda, etc. is very overblown at this stage. We're at peak Amazon mania, similar to Microsoft mania in the late 1990s when Microsoft was going to own everything and each proclamation about them conquering the planet was breathlessly read and believed.
Here's the reality of Amazon: they're the latest Walmart, which was the latest Sears. It's meaningless. They're a great retailer, and some day 20 years into the future there will be a superior retailer that supplants them. Amazon retail is a giant online catalog of goods & services. Building it up into something more than what it is, doesn't make sense. Online isn't special.
[+] [-] dsign|8 years ago|reply
[+] [-] 550r|8 years ago|reply
Maybe it will eventually happen but this article predicts some major brands shutting down their websites this year, which is like saying cryptocurrencies will start replacing cash in some major western countries this year. The only real value I can see in a brand shutting down it's website for a chatbot only service right now is the the free publicity they will get for doing so. Websites are normally relatively cheap to run so there is no real reason to kill them off unless it's getting no traffic compared to the chatbot channels and from my own experiences in this area, chatbots aren't even close to website use yet (but I am in Australia, where things like Alexa and Google Home are quite new in the market compared to the US).
[+] [-] davemel37|8 years ago|reply
Consumers should be the ones building chatbots to talk to brands not vice versa. The brands can use NLP and AI to partially automate much of the conversation, but it needs to be consumer driven... too much of the promise of chatbots requires breaking down barriers and as long as brands control their own experience and every bot is siloed, the real pain of consumers and current ecommerce wont be solved...
Too much of technology today is focused on optimizing businesses and ends up the end users.
Online advertising is a protection racket where publishers steal and hold customers hostage and sell them to the highest bidder...all the middleware is optimized around grabbing your piece of the advertising pie without caring about the end users or the advertisers...in the meantime, its just driving up costs to deliver value...
We need a buyer driven market...we need long term visionaries who stop optimizing to business revenue and cost savings and optimize to GROWING THE OVERALL MARKET!!! optimize to what really serves customers and advertisers instead of these short aighted plays solving problems the previous startup created...
We wouldnt need facebook ads if our competitors werent reaching our customers on google and we wouldnt need content marketing if publishers actually tried to serve advertisers instead of just trying to drive up their costs...
These companies are thinking about everything backwards imho.
[+] [-] lsc|8 years ago|reply
There was a lot of sci-fi ish talk, back in the day, about 'agents' or 'smart personal agents' or thinks like that; where we'd all have a team of semi-intelligent bots that would go off and do things on our behalf.
It's interesting that we kinda have some of this now, but as you say, it's reversed; the agents are owned by the company that is trying to sell us something, so rather than negotiating for us, they negotiate against us.
[+] [-] pmontra|8 years ago|reply
I agree with your general feeling, because they should act like invisible friends, looking at us and doing everything we need, best of before we even ask.
Unfortunately it looks as feasible as "consumers should be the ones building a search engine to index the internet". Impossible unless some company offers it to them as a service, best if at no (apparent) cost.
My dream in the 90s before the web was to get an assistant running on my hardware at home, somehow getting info about the world and talking to me. After the web it become clear that the assistant would have to interface the web and after the mobile phone (think old Nokias) its interface would be that. After the smartphone there would be a camera, a microphone, GPS, other sensors that I could trust because they would be sending data to my hardware and my software, not to some company that wants to exploit me. Unfortunately I worked on something else (web development) which was more profitable to me and everybody else did the same. We have things like Own Cloud but no Own Alexa.
What we'll get in the next year are better versions of centralized services like Google Now, Alexa and Siri. Centralized services that we can't trust to behave in our best interest.
[+] [-] Animats|8 years ago|reply
Car parts sites are getting good. They mostly now take the make and model of your car, and then give you a site that only shows items for that model.
Industrial parts sites, especially for electronics, range from excellent to terrible. They have huge catalogs of very specific parts, and you need a specialized search engine to navigate them. Those things are not conversational; they're table driven.
[+] [-] perl4ever|8 years ago|reply
But if you don't do some research on the specs of what you want to buy, you easily get funneled into Amazon.
For instance, I wanted a cable for my printer. If I look on Amazon for XYZ printer cable, they will happily sell me one. It's very easy to find something when you do a simple minded search.
But actually, it is a generic cable, and Amazon's listings have simply been spammed with every printer model name in creation.
When I realized that, I went to a site that specializes in cables, and looked for a product based on the connector types. Doing that gave me real choices (such as the cable length, whether it has a ferrite core, etc.), detailed specs, and on top of that, much cheaper prices.
The specific retailer or specialty doesn't matter - my point is that I am getting into (and advocate) the mindset that when I want something and it's not available locally, I start by thinking "I know someone is making a living by outdoing Amazon in a particular niche - how can I find their website?" Other random examples include chocolate and kitchen equipment.
The effectiveness of Amazon as a baseline means, I think, that anyone with a thriving online business has to be something special these days.
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[+] [-] fireismyflag|8 years ago|reply
Page rank is not dictated by website design, and it's not the reason many websites share the same components... UX is, we have found the proven path and following it makes it easier for our users.
Los of other valuable criticism in the site's own comments as well...
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[+] [-] GedByrne|8 years ago|reply
She won’t be replacing the Amazon website anytime soon.
[+] [-] hrasyid|8 years ago|reply
This is arguably happening in third world countries. At least in Indonesia (which I'm familiar with), a lot of new businesses don't bother with websites but relied on things like Facebook, Instagram, or WhatsApp (coincidentally these are own by the same guy) to reach out to customers and get orders.
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[+] [-] majormajor|8 years ago|reply
I expect media to continue to move to TVs and dedicated apps, and the reasons outlined by the author for commerce to move away from the open web are somewhat convincing, as well. Looking at my own behavior, I usually search Amazon before Google when I want to buy something - take that trend further and searching the web, vs searching an app store, becomes less and less important for business.
In the happy version of this scenario, the web returns to being a great place for text and knowledge storage. There will be ads as long as there are eyeballs, but if the number of eyeballs drops again, does the reason to create clickbait and other purely-ad/eyeball-driven "content" drop too?
But compared to the author, I think it has a lot more to do with phones and devices, and the needs to create experiences aimed at them, than Google. Who wants to sit on the couch with a laptop instead of an iPad? Who wants to use a mobile website instead of a dedicated app? Even what looks like a super-thin wrapper (the Amazon app) is still a nicer experience than using amazon.com on a tablet or phone.
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