[jochung]

There is a noticeable gap in all this chatter about toxic masculinity. We're told that it's adolescent and immature male behavior, the worst of a roomful of teenage boys.

Ok.

So let's look at what the worst teenage girls get up to...

- Queen Bee'ing and passive aggressive social dominance games.

- Whisper campaigns, slut shaming and going behind people's backs.

- Crab bucket mentality, obsession over relative status and appearances.

- Recruiting authority figures to whitewash cry-bullying and enact revenge.

Now, does that remind you of anything that's been happening on the internet in recent years? Consider this: the supposed plague of online harassment aimed at women, typified by anonymous sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwifarms... Does that sound like something angry teenage boys would do, or angry teenage girls?

The toxic femininity was coming from inside the house all along. And the fact that those two words are never uttered together by supposed gender specialists ought to tell you something too.

[oldandtired]

Agreed, there is toxic behaviour from both male and female. What is not recognised is that this behaviour has been around for millenia. Male and female are quite different, even if there is a crossover of interests. The worst characteristics of humanity are shown by both male and female. I have seen mothers train their sons to be the worst of men and I have seen fathers train their daughters to the worst of women. I have seen both mothers and fathers train their sons and daughters to be the best they can be without the sons losing their masculinity nor the daughters their femininity.

How males look at a situation is often quite different to how females look at the same situation. The problem here is not they they see it differently but that there is this thing in our society today that says the male outlook is wrong.

To see something in a different light means that it is possible to see a bigger picture here. I have worked in many different environments where there have been varying ratios of male to female. The environments that operated best took notice of the inputs from all involved.

The tasks and interests that each of us has and does do not define how masculine or feminine we may be. Being masculine as a male or feminine as a female does not dictate the kinds of activities you do.

Too often today, men are automatically seen as dangerous even when coming to the defence of children that are in distress. It is usually assumed that the distress of the child or young person has been caused by the male coming to help. This says more about the symptomatic problems in today's society that a male cannot come to the defence of children and young people.

We have lost so much in trying to remove male masculinity. The number of times I have heard women of all ages complain about where the men have gone and yet they do not see that the removal of masculinity of males is a result of what they are calling for.

Men and women are not equivalent. They are the two sides of a stable complete society. Both are required and both are necessary for a society to function properly. When dominance by one at the expense of the other only leads to trouble. Each provides what the other doesn't have and only as a unit do we see a completeness that is truly profound.

We have societies in which a donkey is more important than a female and injustice runs rife through such. We have societies where the males are considered to be the worst of the worst, lower than the wild beasts of the field and injustice runs rife through such. When the preciousness of both male and female is highlighted then we see justice.