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deleteme12345 | 7 years ago

"The White Helmets" -- there's your problem.

> There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack.

That did not happen.

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valuearb|7 years ago

> That did not happen.

Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coveru...

I assume you believe that since you also apparently believe Russian and Syrian claims that a volunteer search and rescue organization that's helped thousands of people is really made up of terrorists generating false flag stories. And by the downvotes you aren't the only one.

Though I also see you don't have any response to the fact that over 70 chemical weapon attacks have been reported.

scottie_m|7 years ago

As I said in my first post, the evidence for chlorine being added to barrel bombs is strong, and that’s certainly a chemical weapon. I haven’t seen any good evidence of nerve agents used though, which are another class of chemical weapon, and what relates to this blog.

I would also point out that this whole chemical weapons debate is an emotional dog whistle. Somehow we accept dropping 1000lb barrel bombs loaded with shrapnel on civilians, but the addition of chlorine makes it inhumane? Come on, it’s mass slaughter in Syria, and chemicals doing the bulk of the damage are high explosives and incendiaries.

Let’s be honest with ourselves and each other, and accept that we either care about this, or don’t. Don’t buy into narratives that somehow it only matters when gas is involved. The important considerations have to do with the degree of killing (which is huge) and what we feel we can do about it at an acceptable cost (very little). We should be honest about why we’re hysterical about Syria (Russia) and almost totally ignoring Yemen (Saudi Arabia).

ordu|7 years ago

> Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying?

No. They say "On Thursday, the United States said it had credible information to suggest that Syria and Russia were working to delay the OPCW mission..."

No one is lying and nevertheless this article is no more than those photos with people with masks (possibly oxygen masks). All that was said that US claims that it have some evidence to suggest. There are nothing was said that OPCW claims the same and WP itself doesn't claim anything about Syria.

There was nothing said that those "credible information" is not the one that we do not have, maybe it is just a common sense: if Syria claims control over the area, that any delays for OPCW are from government?

All the article is just random informational noise saying nothing. All the US claims was predictable a priory, article adds nothing to those predictions. It means zero information.

To find truth you should read carefully even when you read scientific article which is written in a way to be plain. But when you read media-news, you need to be very careful and to read every word.

freeflight|7 years ago

Here's the actual take by the OPCW on what happened in Douma to prevent their FFM because your WaPo article doesn't have anything official by OPCW: https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_....

"The United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) has made the necessary arrangements with the Syrian authorities to escort the team to a certain point and then for the escort to be taken over by the Russian Military Police. However, the UNDSS preferred to first conduct a reconnaissance visit to the sites, which took place yesterday. FFM team members did not participate in this visit.

On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw.

At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus."

The decision to delay the FFM team's visit wasn't made by Syrian or Russian authorities, but by the UN personnel tasked with protecting said FFM team. On Saturday they did finally conduct their FFM and took samples, so there's that.

blackbagboys|7 years ago

>> That did not happen.

Counterpoint: It did happen. Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors.

freeflight|7 years ago

> Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors.

Actually, it's UN personnel that blocked the inspection from happening because it was them who came under attack and thus declared the situation too dangerous for the inspection team [0]. Neither Syria nor Russia had anything to do with preventing that inspection from happening.

[0] https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_....