Finger-Pointing, Emails, Deleted Tweets, Rage. AngelGate Is Far From Over

[statictype]

What kind of self-respecting conspiracy that aims to subvert the startup world with collusion among major players discuss their doings over twitter? Someone please buy these guys a copy of Cryptonomicon.

[ovi256]

A copy of the Penal Code (or whatever the US equivalent is, you know the big book of laws and especially punishments) is supposedly a much better motivation. Not that I would know.

[mattmaroon]

A Silicon Valley angel conspiracy without Ron Conway isn't really much of a conspiracy.

[junkbit]

The opening panel at Techcrunch Disrupt on Monday 27th is going to be a must see:

9:40-10:10 Super Angels To Super VCs: The Changing Face Of Venture Capital: Ron Conway (SV Angel), Chris Sacca (Lowercase Capital), Dave McClure (500 Startups), Roelof Botha (Sequoia), Chris Dixon (Founder Collective)

http://disrupt.techcrunch.com/2010-sf/agenda/

[X-Istence]

Could someone give me the TL,DR; for all of this AngelGate business? I've been trying to find good information on what is going on and what has happened so far but I am finding it hard to listen to the signal through all of the noise.

[jeromec]

TL;DR: Michael Arrington of TechCrunch is tipped off a bunch of top Angels are meeting in a bar, but he isn't welcome. He drops by since he knows them, but is met with guilty silence. Upon digging he is told the Angels are meeting to (illegally?) resolve complaints like the growing power of YC, and restraining new Angels/deal competition. Dave McClure is the first Angel to publicly counter Arrington writing that he is off base.

[minalecs]

started with this article.. http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/21/so-a-blogger-walks-into-a-b...

followed up by this http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2010/09/fire-in-the-vall...

look through this quora topic you can find out more http://www.quora.com/AngelGate

[atomical]

The gist is a few sentences. There really isn't much to the core of the story yet.

[bonzoesc]

Arrington and other people involved in venture donations for possibly successful non-businesses are all drama queens.

As always, you're better off if you run a business and don't pursue funding from anybody except profits.

[cubicle67]

I read that as "Tweets of Rage" which I thought summed up the whole impotent fury of the internet beautifully. Make a good band name though

[chronomex]

If I could upvote you more than once I would. Thank you. The mention of "deleted tweets" in the article title made me laugh outright.

[aresant]

The silence from Calacanis on this subject is deafening.

EDIT - Per 146's comment below Calacanis already comments & denies. Better educating myself on Twitter search now.

[146]

Calacanis has already publicly denied being at the meeting:

http://twitter.com/#!/Jason/status/25165977135

> No, I was not at the "super angel summit," and I would never be pro collusion. Sounds like @arrington is stirring the pot to get pageviews

[InfinityX0]

JC said he was going to talk about it on This Week in Startups, even discussing it in the intro - but then said nothing. I scanned the transcript and only found the intro bit, there might be something vague elsewhere, but I don't see it.

"Additionally we’ll be talking about Michael Arrington’s ‘AngelGate’, fact or fiction. And we’re going to tell you how you can come to The Launch Conference, that’s my version of TechCrunch 50, on February 23-24, 2011. All this and more on today’s This Week In Startups."

http://thisweekin.com/thisweekin-startups/this-week-in-start...

[zaidf]

If he had anything to do with it, it'd be the ultimate FAIL for someone who has always claimed to be looking out for that struggling entrepreneur.

Hopefully he's clean.

[lachyg]

I've gotta say, that tweet does look scripted. You think he'd be a bit careful about that sort of info.

[callmeed]

Considering the way he writes, I don't know. Seems like a fast-talking, shoot-from-the hip kind of guy who could easily make that mistake.

But what do I know.

[atomical]

People said that about the iPhone leak over at Gizmodo. A brilliant piece of PR for Apple they said. Then the police got involved...

[desigooner]

It's too much of a coincidence that McClure "accidently" tweeted it instead of a DM to someone. If it's that important, one'd call, text or email ... It was tweeted at the right time and deleted within minutes after being sure that it was syndicated.

Brightest bulb or not, he's just trying to play the fiddle here..

[bl4k]

It is easy for you to make ridiculous accusations or observations, because you don't have to come back here tomorrow and say 'oh, I was wrong'.

Since I started following this story I have seen all manner of ridiculous commentary, regardless of the evidence presented. Each new day disproves almost every comment made from the previous day.

Your accusation is cheap and is not held to the same standards that you expect from the same blogs and people that you criticize.

[itistoday]

That seems pretty far-fetched. What on earth would he gain from intentionally posting that tweet? Mike cut them some slack by not naming any names, and now he's done just that.

I'm leaning more toward the "not the brightest bulb in the valley" theory.

[edw519]

If this keeps up much longer, Hacker News will be banned at Valleywag.

[jacquesm]

For a story with so little actual substance this one is definitely creating a lot of waves.

When someone comes out with a transcript of what was said at the dinner I think we can move to the next phase, until then there is not much more that can either be said or done.

I'm sure that TC will try to keep this (successfully) on the front burner as much as they can but as far as I can see no new newsworthy facts have come out about what this dinner was actually about or who all of the remaining attendants were.

Dave McClure is now berated more for his writing style than for what he actually said, Ron Conway gets involved, it's a true photo opportunity for everybody and their dog to stick their oar in.

Reputations are to be made or broken, but over what, actually?

[moxiemk1]

This seriously doesn't need to be called Angel Gate. It took place in it's own venue - the "Bin38 Scandal" is far more appropriate (and sort of brings into perspective how ridiculous the real Watergate scandal's name is)

[duck]

Who in the world thinks that deleting a tweet (or blog post, comment, email, vm, memo, letter, etc.) is going to make it disappear? Through out history seemly smart people continue to do this...

[bertil]

Deleting twits works most of the time; you just don't notice it… I do it all the time for typos, or playing with time zones.

[points]

who cares? Why are you all upvoting this stuff? This is just eyeballs to techcrunch.

[TotlolRon]

RT: At some point in time a big earthquake will level the bay area. That's a given certainty. It might happen just because of tectonic stuff, or, maybe, it will happen because this place has lost all honor. And god is watching. Maybe. Maybe Not.

(down voting open)

[patrickaljord]

From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you.

[aberkowitz]

I don't understand why TechCrunch tries to emulate a tabloid when they do a lot better as a news site.

[dschobel]

It's hard to fault him when the facts of the story are so sensational.