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Wireless system can power devices inside the body

114 points| tostitos1979 | 7 years ago |news.mit.edu

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ffk|7 years ago

The main thing I got from the MIT article is this:

"This system relies on an array of antennas that emit radio waves of slightly different frequencies. As the radio waves travel, they overlap and combine in different ways."

This is known as constructive interference, pretty nifty to see it used in this context. The range has been increased from 10 cm to 1 meter since the paper I co-authored on this subject. Impressive!

These kinds of applications have also been a long time coming. With IoT devices and NFC readers looming around the corner, I think it is likely that we will see some pretty innovative medical inventions. Likewise, as mentioned by NKosmatos, we need to take the security aspect very seriously. Some of these NFC devices are programmable, and should defend against attacks that could lead to events such as withholding life-saving medicine or misreporting biometrics.

For reference, check out this paper I co-authored:

Suitability of NFC for Medical Device Communication and Power Delivery (2007)

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4454171/

And if you're interested in an early paper about RFID-delivered viruses, check out this by Tanenbaum et al.:

http://www.rfidvirus.org/papers/percom.06.pdf

darkmighty|7 years ago

Isn't this description flawed though? Waves of different frequencies are independent in power. Thus they don't interfere (when time-averaged) -- at all. Zero. (this is because signals of different frequencies are orthogonal in the time-average integral of product sense)

What creates interference is difference is phase among waves of the exact same frequency.

It's odd that the paper author is making such basic EM theory mistake, and I wonder what the actual device construction is like. (since it cannot work the way he describes at steady state)

Maybe he's interpreting phase modulation as frequency modulation? Of course at steady state all frequencies would be the same, making this a weird/incorrect interpretation I think.

fouc|7 years ago

Radio waves are used to power cochlear implants. There is a chip & receiver unit that is inserted under the skin on the head, with electrodes that go into the cochlea. Externally there is an antenna that is held on the head next to the skin, using a magnet to hold it in place. Radio waves are sent across the skin to power the chip and control the electrodes.

excalibur|7 years ago

Plenty of nefarious applications for this. The range alone blows away existing RFID designs, which will make it the preferred "chipping" technology for surveillance states everywhere.

dsfyu404ed|7 years ago

There are positive uses. I can see this being useful for monitoring health in animals raised for food in addition to the medical applications the article mentioned.

That said, the potential for abuse is limited by what society will tolerate. We tolerate tracking and alcohol monitoring bracelets for people who drive drunk. If we tolerate tracking implants for sex offenders on parole or something I'm sure it'll filter down routine probation sentences eventually.

jgroszko|7 years ago

Or fast food restaurants embedding tracking devices in their food... That'll be fun having to review privacy policies at every restaurant you eat at.

pietroglyph|7 years ago

Right now the preferred "chipping" technology is your smart phone.

trhway|7 years ago

>The implants are powered by radio frequency waves, which can safely pass through human tissues. In tests in animals

why animals? couldn't the researchers just swallow that "prototype about the size of a grain of rice" themselves and/or get several paid volunteers?

dear|7 years ago

Because animals have no say and they don't have to pay the animals. Once it's done the animals will just be euthanized.

s0rce|7 years ago

Because if it turned out to be dangerous it has been determined that the animals being hurt/killed is better than that happening to human test subjects.

CamelCaseName|7 years ago

Animals are the first step because testing in humans is more expensive. These devices will likely have to be tested in humans before commercialization.

fao_|7 years ago

> why animals? couldn't the researchers just swallow that "prototype about the size of a grain of rice" themselves and/or get several paid volunteers?

Insurance. I assume it's easier to get insurance for human testing if you've shown safety in animals first.

maxander|7 years ago

Contrary to the other answers to this question, I suspect the real reason is that the prototype is expensive, and way easier to recover from a lab animal’s poo than the researcher’s.

ThomPete|7 years ago

One of the first "promises" of nanotechnology I ever read about was that you could create batteries so small that just calling your cellphone would charge them I wonder if that is fundamentally the same idea.

NKosmatos|7 years ago

Interesting and for sure there are numerous applications for such devices, but they didn’t mention anything about security and possible interferences. Sounds very promising but scary at the same time.

ghostbrainalpha|7 years ago

I want to power my earbuds without ever removing them. If they can do this I would be the first human tester.

I'd also love to start my car, without having to remember where i left my keys.

smolder|7 years ago

Can it power tumors?

More seriously, though, nanotech or relatively small implantables/injectables powered by radio or induction could do a lot for medicine... If anyone could afford it.

JumpCrisscross|7 years ago

How much energy could a device extract from blood sugar?

rhcom2|7 years ago

"One single implanted GBFC device of 0.24 mL volume (2.4 mL for the whole implant) produced the power required to operate, using a specially designed electronic circuit to charge a capacitor, two types of electronic devices: a LED and a digital thermometer."

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep01516

Pfhreak|7 years ago

I'm waiting for someone to invent the implantable chip that converts blood sugar into heat/light purely with the intention of wasting that energy.

Grab enough power to monitor blood sugar, to make sure you aren't putting someone into a coma, but otherwise just try to burn an extra few hundred calories a day.

rtkwe|7 years ago

The real question is can that conversion be done in an efficient enough way with materials that are safe to put inside someone and in a small enough package.

mclightning|7 years ago

How does the device come out when you need it to?