How many will they ship, though? And at what price?
Interesting how only when AMD starts shipping something competitive with their chips, does Intel roll up its sleeves and get busy on breaking new ground. There almost seems to be a correlation ...!
When AMD released a competitive GPU, nVidia released a new GPU with chips that had been sitting in a warehouse for more than 6 months. Competition is necessary.
Exactly. Keep in mind that AMD is currently selling 32-core chips.
They don't go up to that insane frequency, but still. There's plenty of opportunity to shop around if you want really beefy systems, which is a very refreshing state of affairs compared to just two years ago.
They're already shipping them. 28 core Skylake-SP parts have been available under the Xeon Platinum branding for almost a year now. This is presumably just a consumer paint job on the existing silicon. And yes, they're very expensive: $10k+ per chip.
In Germany, we have a saying: Konkurrenz belebt das Geschäft (roughly: Competition enlivens business).
I am just afraid Intel will once more use its deep pockets and questionable business practices to crush AMD just when things were starting to get interesting again.
Interesting, I wonder if it has to do with the marketing side of things rather than development. They cannot develop a CPU in less than 6 months. I think it could just be that they want to have the last word, so people will talk about it for longer.
If we assume this design is based off of something similar to the 28-core 8180 which has a 2.5GHz base frequency and (generous, likely understated) 205W TDP, this chip could easily have a TDP north of 300W.
Those boxes on stage sure don't look air-cooled to me.
The plumbing seriously resembles that of a phase-change setup, which would actually make sense here as an extremely low operating temperature would help tame the leakage power tremendously.
In summary though, it ain't gonna be cheap to buy or cool.
Apparently Supermicro had some X299 motherboards on display that were rated for 300 watt CPUs. So it sounds like you're on the right track.
Though I don't think phase-change is really suitable for a consumer CPU. I would think it's just going to be bundled with a big integrated water-cooler (a bit like AMD's FX-9590 CPU which was a 220TDP part)
> If we assume this design is based off of something similar to the 28-core 8180 which has a 2.5GHz base frequency and (generous, likely understated) 205W TDP, this chip could easily have a TDP north of 300W.
The title is misleading, it reached 5Ghz through overclocking and no mention of how many cores booted at 5Ghz, the nominal frequency of this part with all cores is 2.7ghz. Saw the photos but still skeptical about it like price wise and what cooling it need.
anandtech is reporting that the chip might be for the LGA2066 platform[1] for home use. ;)
Before you get too excited, the current generation of 28-core xeon running at 2.5G costs you over $10k each [2]. I won't be too surprised if Intel sets the price of a 5G 28-core Xeon at $15-20k.
That being said, having more choices is always good. Can't wait to see how AMD is going to respond to this using their Epyc line of chips.
Is this a single 28-core CPU? The only other 28 core chips that Intel has are the Xeon platinum 8176 and 8180, which cost $9-$13K and don't clock nearly as high.
Or is this like AMD's Threadripper any EPYC, and they are duct taping together multiple CPUs in a single socket? Eg, 2 x 14 cores CPUS connected with QPI or EMIB ? 4 x 7 cores? I wonder if AMD patented this technique..
I wonder how much cache that CPU has, and how many memory channels? 28 cores don't do you much good if half of them are always blocked waiting for instructions.
24/26 core CPUs have been in the market for quite a while. The caches generally look like this: each core has 32KB instruction + 32KB data cache (L1) and 1MB L2 cache. All cores share the 30-40MB L3 cache and the 4/6 memory channels.
In my experience, cores getting blocked for instructions is not commonplace. They can block waiting for data if the computation is memory-bound.
I wonder if there isn't some way to manufacture ECC RAM that doesn't need CPU support? It could act towards the CPU/motherboard as if it's non-ECC RAM but still contain 9 bits per byte inside.
The RAM chip itself would do any computation if needed instead of the CPU, and if it needs to give interrupts to warn about error conditions, it could output it as an electric signal you can hook up to anything you want yourself (including to the CPU in some way, like via USB or something lower level, or otherwise a warning light or beep or so)
They really need to release a cpu for the FCLGA2066 platform that can beat the 8700K/9700K in games. People are waiting for the 9700K to upgrade, and avoiding intels high end because they dont have the a higher end cpu for gamer enthusiasts.
How is that extremely intrusive tracking-management popup even attempting to adhere to GDPR?
For one it is opt out, which isn't allowed. It also claims that you need to accept to continue using the site, which isn't allowed, then it's countless steps required to opt out (if you even can, I got lost and accidentally allowed everything a few clicks in).
This is probably worse than just pretending GDPR didn't exist. This is a deliberate and disrespectful fuck you to every single visitor.
For me it was opt-in (all trackers were unchecked when I opened it) from both of my computers.
It is also not illegal to require visitors to clarify to which data processing they consent to (GDPR only says that if you require consent for processing that is not necessary to provide the service, then that does not count as consent for GDPR purposes).
GDPR rules in practice seem to turn into the "this site uses cookies" notice but on mega steroids. Privacy control is great, but it's just not interesting to have a checkbox or agreement click through on every new site visited.
Same here. I went up to the partner list, didn't get what the toggle buttons were supposed to mean (should I toggle them on or off?), closed the page. The title (on HN) will have to do, good job to them.
For most sites just disabling JS works perfectly, but not for Engadet. I just had a look at their source and found out the actual post ("18-core i9 CPU is still impressive, but that's last year's news") starts at the line 1086! Over one thousand of lines of useless crap before I can read the actual text. Incredible.
> I'm pretty sure this against the spirit of the GDPR.
I'm pretty sure almost every reaction and e-mail that I have got due to GDPR is against the spirit. I had never thought it would be allowed, much less massively adopted, to "opt in" 100% of your existing userbase by fleshing out your existing Terms of Service and that's that. I thought it would require a new contract/agreement with the user to be signed/clicked "yes" to. I swear by far most have just somehow pulled me into their new "more privacy aware" system.
Intel's 18-core i9 CPU is still impressive, but that's last year's news. Today at Computex, Intel SVP Gregory Bryant demoed a 28-core processor running at 5GHz. It's the first time we've seen a single socket desktop CPU cram in that many cores, and it's certainly powerful. In Cinebench, it achieved a score of 7,334 on stage, something that's only bested by multi-processor systems. Better yet, Bryant says it's not just a concept, as Intel plans to sell the 28-core CPU by the end of the year. Time to start saving.
I mean, we all knew this was going to happen, right? There's no way this was actually going to turn out to be a helpful thing, at least on this class of sites.
[+] [-] patrickg_zill|7 years ago|reply
Interesting how only when AMD starts shipping something competitive with their chips, does Intel roll up its sleeves and get busy on breaking new ground. There almost seems to be a correlation ...!
[+] [-] hvidgaard|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] fyi1183|7 years ago|reply
They don't go up to that insane frequency, but still. There's plenty of opportunity to shop around if you want really beefy systems, which is a very refreshing state of affairs compared to just two years ago.
[+] [-] ajross|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] krylon|7 years ago|reply
I am just afraid Intel will once more use its deep pockets and questionable business practices to crush AMD just when things were starting to get interesting again.
EDIT: Typo
[+] [-] leovailati|7 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] loser777|7 years ago|reply
Those boxes on stage sure don't look air-cooled to me. The plumbing seriously resembles that of a phase-change setup, which would actually make sense here as an extremely low operating temperature would help tame the leakage power tremendously.
In summary though, it ain't gonna be cheap to buy or cool.
[+] [-] Ardren|7 years ago|reply
Though I don't think phase-change is really suitable for a consumer CPU. I would think it's just going to be bundled with a big integrated water-cooler (a bit like AMD's FX-9590 CPU which was a 220TDP part)
[+] [-] zeth___|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dragontamer|7 years ago|reply
300W??
http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/overc...
Try 800W.
[+] [-] dis-sys|7 years ago|reply
it is simply not practical to boost freq from 2.5 base/3.5 turbo to all cores 5Ghz.
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[+] [-] oliwarner|7 years ago|reply
Perhaps we should be more worried that it's only 5.something times faster than an 8yo CPU with fewer than half the cores.
https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/c18d803c00f096b8d7b57...
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[+] [-] dis-sys|7 years ago|reply
Before you get too excited, the current generation of 28-core xeon running at 2.5G costs you over $10k each [2]. I won't be too surprised if Intel sets the price of a 5G 28-core Xeon at $15-20k.
That being said, having more choices is always good. Can't wait to see how AMD is going to respond to this using their Epyc line of chips.
[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/12893/intels-28core-5-ghz-cpu... [2] https://ark.intel.com/products/120496/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-81...
[+] [-] drewg123|7 years ago|reply
Or is this like AMD's Threadripper any EPYC, and they are duct taping together multiple CPUs in a single socket? Eg, 2 x 14 cores CPUS connected with QPI or EMIB ? 4 x 7 cores? I wonder if AMD patented this technique..
[+] [-] maaark|7 years ago|reply
IIRC, according to Intel's slides, AMD used glue.
[+] [-] innocenat|7 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] xtreme|7 years ago|reply
In my experience, cores getting blocked for instructions is not commonplace. They can block waiting for data if the computation is memory-bound.
Edit: These are the specs for the [Skylake 8180](https://ark.intel.com/products/120496/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-81...). These chips are nowhere close to 5GHz though.
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[+] [-] Aardwolf|7 years ago|reply
The RAM chip itself would do any computation if needed instead of the CPU, and if it needs to give interrupts to warn about error conditions, it could output it as an electric signal you can hook up to anything you want yourself (including to the CPU in some way, like via USB or something lower level, or otherwise a warning light or beep or so)
[+] [-] mbfg|7 years ago|reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRH0-QwhvVQ
[+] [-] swarnie_|7 years ago|reply
There can't be many people in the world who will pay the 10k-20k price tag. How many people have the pull with their employers to justify it?
The production run must be insanely low or i just don't understand the marketplace around high end chips.
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[+] [-] ksec|7 years ago|reply
How did we manage to break 28 Core all running at 5Ghz barrier when we were previously hold up even 8 Core running at 4.4Ghz at the same time.
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Seriously why have the video float? If I’ve scrolled down it’s probably to read - like wtf is the intended user interaction goal there?
[+] [-] tjoff|7 years ago|reply
For one it is opt out, which isn't allowed. It also claims that you need to accept to continue using the site, which isn't allowed, then it's countless steps required to opt out (if you even can, I got lost and accidentally allowed everything a few clicks in).
This is probably worse than just pretending GDPR didn't exist. This is a deliberate and disrespectful fuck you to every single visitor.
[+] [-] Gravityloss|7 years ago|reply
Example: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12875/intel-announces-the-cor...
[+] [-] victorNicollet|7 years ago|reply
It is also not illegal to require visitors to clarify to which data processing they consent to (GDPR only says that if you require consent for processing that is not necessary to provide the service, then that does not count as consent for GDPR purposes).
[+] [-] setquk|7 years ago|reply
Which is good becase that saved me a chunk of my life on Engadget who clearly have no respect for the readers.
[+] [-] RealDinosaur|7 years ago|reply
1) Manage Options
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4) Scroll down
5-100) Click each toggle individually (select all button is currently broke) (It is intentionally ambiguous which is the 'correct' selection)
101-150) Do the same on other page
151) Click done
152) Click OK (hoping it's saved, it doesn't feel like it has)
This is much harder than it is to opt-in. I'm pretty sure this against the spirit of the GDPR.
Even if it isn't against the GDPR. It's a dick move.
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I'm pretty sure almost every reaction and e-mail that I have got due to GDPR is against the spirit. I had never thought it would be allowed, much less massively adopted, to "opt in" 100% of your existing userbase by fleshing out your existing Terms of Service and that's that. I thought it would require a new contract/agreement with the user to be signed/clicked "yes" to. I swear by far most have just somehow pulled me into their new "more privacy aware" system.
[+] [-] RealDinosaur|7 years ago|reply
Intel's 18-core i9 CPU is still impressive, but that's last year's news. Today at Computex, Intel SVP Gregory Bryant demoed a 28-core processor running at 5GHz. It's the first time we've seen a single socket desktop CPU cram in that many cores, and it's certainly powerful. In Cinebench, it achieved a score of 7,334 on stage, something that's only bested by multi-processor systems. Better yet, Bryant says it's not just a concept, as Intel plans to sell the 28-core CPU by the end of the year. Time to start saving.
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[+] [-] JBiserkov|7 years ago|reply
# of cores: 28
# of threads: 56
Hyper Threading FTW!
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