Apple fans returning new MacBook Pros with Core i9

[wilsonnb2]

Headline: "Apple fans are returning their new MacBook Pros that cost a minimum of $2,800 because they can't reach the advertised speeds"

Actual data: two Reddit comments that say they're going to return their MacBooks

What's wrong with the headline "Youtuber finds New MacBook Pros Not Performing as Advertised" or "Youtuber finds Cooling Issues with High Performance MacBook"?

It's basically useless to read headlines from most online news sources these days.

[close04]

A few big-name tech websites already confirmed they are investigating the claims and will publish their findings. So we should have some (mostly) impartial conclusions on the topic soon-ish.

[conatus]

The whole piece does have a general hot air feeling to it...

[mcountryman]

From 200+ comments "cancel" was listed 4 times in that reddit thread and "return" was listed 5 times. Some repeats in there.

[nodesocket]

We have seen this pattern over and over again. Remember Apple's Q2, where nearly all analyst were negative. Outrage and pessimism were rampant on HN and Reddit. The vast minority complain the loudest while the vast majority go about their lives and work using Apple products.

[aksss]

They could just rebrand it as a powerful tool designed for arctic climate research.

[jiveturkey]

i've decided to cancel my order (still 2 weeks out) and instead get the i7. so now you have 3 data points.

[greglindahl]

Discussion on a similar article from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17567729

[394549]

What's up with Apple? Seems to me like they should have just dropped the i9 option altogether, since they couldn't make it work. It just further torpedoes their fading reputation for being able to build top-notch hardware.

[close04]

They are re-living their 2003-2004 period when the IBM PPC G5 CPU was way too hot and power hungry to put in the PowerBook and it needed water cooling in the PowerMac. Back then their solution was to switch to Intel CPUs. Now it's probably going to be to switch to in-house designed ARM CPUs.

[amrrs]

I think the comment that they can't build top-notch hardware isn't entirely true. Airpods really made an impression. We also need to count the fact that the entire PC laptop market is in some kind of limbo. Few tried touch and then hybrid then detachable. At least Apple is still kicking in the game I'd say.

[bluedino]

It's not the CPU - it's the combination of the GPU and CPU. The CPU only benchmarks run without throttling

https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2018/07/macbook-pro-mid-2018-...

[valarauca1]

Geekbenchmark runs it tests in bursts with short delays between them to allow for the SoC to dissipate heat. They implemented that so laptops and cellphones wouldn't overheat, or thermally throttle while running the benchmark.

https://www.xda-developers.com/geekbench-ceo-fireside-chat-p...

I get that Geekbenchmark is extremely accessible, but it is not rigorous.

Citing a benchmark that's designed to avoid thermal issues, as proof a chip doesn't have thermal issues is just bad.

[karanlyons]

My tests do not show this, but show that putting the CPU under load alone is enough to get rather disheartening results: https://imgur.com/a/ehtleu4

[tjoff]

He tested the i7, not sure if that is comparable.

[limonkufu]

Surely, Apple saw these issues in their internal tests. I don't understand how Apple (or any other company that does something similar to this) decides to release the product knowing all of the issues beforehand.

[ricardobeat]

Why is the Aero 15x so much faster? It seems to be an i7 with a slower SSD.

[JudasGoat]

The specs show it available up to gtx1070 maxq which sounds pretty powerful for 15".

[aparashk]

Aero 15x runs Windows, and the Windows version of the software is much better optimised. The software load is quite different, which is misleading.

[newscracker]

Meta: Can the link be changed? The one right now is:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n...

It looks like a (AMP) copy of a (AMP) copy of a web page. Just https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-return... or https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macb... would work.

[tjoff]

Yahoo uses oath and doesn't adhere to GDPR. The HN link does, though I dislike AMP anything is better than oath.

[sctb]

Updated (from https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n...). Thanks!

[AndersSandvik]

Lol, AMP showing a google.com domain. Why are sites opting to send traffic through Google?

[sgarrity]

A Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider. What a time to be alive!

[bufferoverflow]

It's like a free CDN. /s