[TooBrokeToBeg]

> All good things in politics come from vociferous arguing

I would hope you recognize the opposite. The natural inclination is to increase aggression to try again when battles are fought viciously and lost. The idea of losing as commonplace and safe is not reinforced enough. While I don't trust a single representative (very bad sign), I also don't think the arguments should be full of frothing.

[cmurf]

Actually I'm far more suspicious of the opposite. Sure it can happen that there is dispassionate lawmaking that benefits most people and harms almost no one. But I'll continue to argue that this is only due to many prior frothing arguments, which distill out the crap, and leave only the salient arguments, and the skilled arguers.

Watch a debate in the British Parliament and then watch a U.S. Senate hearing. It's difficult to take the U.S. Senate or House seriously because there is so little frothing. It's docile, servile, and subservient, and their master is the dollar.

In self-rule, ultimately the buck stops with the citizens. Not only voters, but all of the citizens. The state of affairs is due to the combined effect of action and inaction. The blame ultimately rests with them, same as the buck rests with the shareholders of a company.

[TooBrokeToBeg]

> The blame ultimately rests with them,

This sort of rhetoric, specifically has hurt democratic culture. If something you dislike happens, it's because you didn't do ENOUGH instead of the intended realization that everything is impermanent and open to revision.