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zmanian | 7 years ago

NSL can't require to collect new business records. They can only compel you to disclose business records that you already have.

This is beyond the legal authority of an NSL.

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kodablah|7 years ago

> This is beyond the legal authority of an NSL.

If the legal authority can't be challenged in public, how are you so sure this legal authority hasn't been skirted plenty? In an opaque system, what they can and can't do is only theoretical. Only sometimes are things disclosed well after the fact and often only in aggregate (such as numbers about how many NSLs are greenlit). This is what the author means by no trust required. They can't be asked to subvert it, even via extralegal means.

nickpsecurity|7 years ago

The Core Secrets leak said the FBI "compels" U.S. companies to "SIGINT-enable" their products if they don't take money. SIGINT-enable means installing backdoors. So, yeah they can. They also do this with classification order mandating secrecy from organizations and people that are immune to prosecution. In the Lavabit case, they wanted a device attached to the network to do whatever they wanted with the company ordered to lie to customers about their secrets still safe via the encryption keys. That's always worth remembering for these discussions. Plus, most companies or individuals won't shut down their operation to stop a hypothetical threat.

So, you have to assume they'll always get more power and surveillance over time via secret orders if there's no consequences for them demanding it but people on other side can be massively fined or do time for refusing. Organizations about privacy protection simply shouldn't operate in police states like the U.S..

pdkl95|7 years ago

If for some reason those methods fail, they can use BULLRUN, which has a much larger budget[1] and specifically tasked with "defeat[ing] the encryption used in specific network communication technologies"[2].

[1] "The funding allocated for Bullrun in top-secret budgets dwarfs the money set aside for programs like PRISM and XKeyscore. PRISM operates on about $20 million a year, according to Snowden, while Bullrun cost $254.9 million in 2013 alone. Since 2011, Bullrun has cost more than $800 million." ( https://www.ibtimes.com/edward-snowden-reveals-secret-decryp... )

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Classification_guide_for_...

willstrafach|7 years ago

That is a major accusation, can you provide source(s) to read more about this claim?

It is at odds with known cases, such as the fight with Apple over iPhone encryption.

lawnchair_larry|7 years ago

I’m pretty sure that isn’t true. They can be used to compel you to build interception capabilities.

gruez|7 years ago

source?

StavrosK|7 years ago

Does the NSL have any legal authority? Is it actually bound by laws? From what I understand, an NSL is "do what we tell you, because we're the NSA".