[Smushman]

My further response, distanced from what I feel sure is a good analysis (to save my points).

This is a good convincer - but there is a lot of hyperbole, political theft, and outright exaggerations being painted out there; not to mention previous abuse of the scientific method to push extreme claims in previous papers. These things hurt the cause.

And further, putting people into a bucket of trolls when they are only looking for information does the same thing. Why would healthy people open to debate do that? And on Hacker News?

You have convinced me further; I am more open minded. And I will look for more ways I can justify supporting this conclusion to be sure; but I can't put everything behind such a negatively based bias and effort to convince me. There are too many charlatans to jump in with both feet and too much at risk with blind support.