The obvious solution (making h1b non-transferable across employers again, without even the 30 day window) probably causes more harm than benefit here.
I assume someone could abusively misuse h1b in the traditional Wipro/Infosys way anyway, by doing staffing companies. His fraud was just more capital efficient but not that fundamentally different.
It is probably unpopular, but I think h1b should be ended. Genuine short term needs should be covered through something like L1, and aside from specific categories of non-immigrant visa like medical or educational, we should just expand immigrant visas on a Canadian/NZ style merit/points system. This would be less discriminatory against people from big countries (China and India specifically), avoid some of the abuse possibilities, and be better for employees/immigrants and their families. The only losers would be body shops and large employers who benefit today from a limited form of indenture.
IMO the obvious solution is a) don't tie the visa to an employer and b) increase the earning bar.
This way the body shopping model breaks. Also in the current system workers tied to an employer have less leverage in terms of demands/wage negotiations, and tend to stick around for a long time, so this part of incentive from the hiring managers perspective will go away.
One of the massive holes in the process is the definition of maximum duration of "6 years", of course that is 3 years at a time.
So Indian outsourcing companies get a visa in October 2010, do not send the person to US till June 2011, the person does a 6 month project then goes back, comes back 6 months later and spends some time and goes back again. At the end they file for lost days recapture and keep on extending the H1 for 8-9-10-12 years because the person has not spent 12 years employed. While this works for the outsourcing companies, the existence of this model creates perverse incentives for any employer as they have no obligation to pay a person simply because they can classify as being employed in different branch (India), on vacation (sometimes), on unpaid vacation (bench).
If the visa was given for 3 or 6 years (with renewal) but you had to a) pay the person or surrender the visa, maybe if you use only 80% for year 1 and the visa gets canceled, and b) there was no extension because of any sundry reasons : initial visa issued in October 2010 expires in September 2016 come what may, you could maybe fix it a little bit. Of course business cycles can bring in some uncertainty but then maybe we can not penalize a single H1 but if the company has deployed only 70% of its H1 staff on US salary, and is still asking for a visa in the next year, it is obviously a no no : if you are such a company then further visas are just not granted.
Yeah the US really needs to completely revamp its immigration system. Not only H1B but GC as well. Take a look at the line for Indians waiting for green cards. It's apparently 150 years long. That is absurd.
What about the solution where the quota is filled after ordering by salaries? With a provision that a salary cannot be lowered while on the visa, or re-ordering and re-filtering with combined quota including new workers every year (i.e. mix previous year quota, and the new one, order by salaries, keep 2x quota, potentially revoking some visas - although this might be disruptive to the worker).
This might disadvantage the startups paying in speculative stock options though... not sure what to do about that, any provisions making it easier to bring people in based on vague promises under a salary-based system seem ripe for exploitation.
Disclaimer: I'm a former L1, although I'm pretty sure I would've also "made it" under H1-salary-system above.
> we should just expand immigrant visas on a Canadian/NZ style merit/points system. This would be less discriminatory against people from big countries (China and India specifically), avoid some of the abuse possibilities, and be better for employees/immigrants and their families.
I think a point system is a good way to go, but it isn’t necessary to end the disparate access that those from India, China, the Philippines, and Mexico face. All that would take is a small amendment to section 202 removing the per country caps.
On a separate but related topic, given how large tech employers treat job applicants I don’t believe them when they say the face a shortage of qualified workers. Actions speak louder than words.
If they end the program, how will the US refill the social security coffers? It's my understanding that h1b1 employees pay into social security just like everybody else but it is likely they will never draw from it. Most Indians I've talked to plan to eventually go back home either due to family or because the wait is astronomically long.
>Genuine short term needs should be covered through something like L1
The current L1 is a visa for transferring from a branch of a company in another country to a branch of the same company in the US. I get that you're not talking about the L1 in its current form, but it's far from being a general mechanism for dealing with short term labor needs.
I would love an H1B program where membership was set by auction (500,000 seats where the price everyone pays is the #500,000 bid, that sort of thing) instead of by "need" or a lottery or any number of other things. Even better, have the fee be annual and count towards federal income tax. No ties to employer, no requirement to work for a company, no discrimination based upon country of origin...
You could probably lump quite a few visa programs together into that, actually.
The problem with the points system like in Singapore/Hong Kong is that it heavily favours those with college diplomas. Some of the most talented people in tech that I know have no higher education but are self taught experts in their field and often have decades of experience.
Any replacement visa needs to be like the diversity lottery (or the Olympics) by rewarding applicants from smaller countries. The migrant intake shouldn't be dominated completely by India and China - their sheer size gives them an advantage, as naturalized Indian and Chinese employers will then just go on to hire their own countrymen. For example, 76% of H1B visas went to Indians.
Having multiple, smaller groups of people inside the USA also assists integration - instead of being able to fall back on a parallel society, migrants will be forced to integrate and learn English.
Plus, just like the Olympics, diversity makes things interesting. Having (qualified) people from Belgium, Poland, Kenya, Thailand, Japan, Colombia, Mongolia (for example) is more interesting than just India, India, India, China, China, China.... A broader pool of migrants also helps US businesses expand worldwide.
Finally, the schemes should also include a minimum 55% quota of women, from each country. This ensures that any visa scheme does not become completely dominated by men, and addresses past imbalances.
Every time discussion about H-1B comes up here, many people chime in on the potential abuses from large international outsourcers like Infosys, Wipro, Cognizant, IBM, Accenture etc. But IME, the most egregious abuses come from small American staffing companies as those run by the accused here. The absolute number of H-1B applications they file and get are smaller, but they occupy the long tail of the distribution. Also, the same fraudulent operators run multiple such companies. The accused in this case - Kishore Kumar Kavuru - ran four such companies. In the other case mentioned in the article the accused - Pradyumna Kumar Samal - two such companies.
I hope these two cases don't go the way of the one against Raju Kosuri. Kosuri, a naturalized American citizen, plead guilty [1] to serious charges of immigration fraud. But due to some technicality in the prosecution's case, Kosuri was handed down a mere 28 months to serve, and is scheduled to be deported to India [2].
Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship?
It seems that Raju Kosuri was not naturalized but a permanent resident, while is wife was naturalized but because she came by this scheme she agreed to have her naturalization revoked because it was received fraudulently.
Legal student here. To answer your question - current international human rights treaties / laws prevent revocation of citizenship (even naturalized citizenship) if that would leave the person stateless.
Edit: and yes, India, only allows single-citizenship. Accepting U.S. citizenship automatically results in the loss of Indian citizenship.
On the topic of dual citizenship, I'm always surprised at these deportations of American citizens.
That means the law is not the same for all American citizens. He is getting a different punishment than another arbitrary American citizen doing the same offense.
Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship?
Usually the way this works is that country A doesn't "recognise" dual-citizenship, which means if you are a citizen of country A and country B and you commit an offence in country A you don't get to say "well I am a citizen of country B so that doesn't apply to me". I am not sure if India requires you to give up your citizenship on taking another, but if they did it would make sense, and in fact it's surprising that that doesn't always happen. If a citizen of country A wants to become a citizen of country B instead fair enough but it's not in the interests of A or B that they should retain citizenship of A too.
H1B has basically become a slavery visa for Indians. Similar to how the Indian government runs commercials warning Indians going to Gulf countries not to fall into employment related traps, it's hightime we educate Indians wanting to get h1b the issues associated with it. I don't expect American laws to change to make h1b workers life easier. But at least the current Trump administration seems to be targeting a lot of these companies that take advantage of the h1b employees, which is good.
And in all of the cases, they are Indians committing fraud to assist the immigration of other Indians.
Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely?
I think its generally problematic if one class of visa comes to be dominated by a single nationality. It does not result in diversity in the host country, for starters.
I think people would be more welcoming of the H1B visa (and expanding it, or offering more rights for those on it) if it wasn't completely dominated by Indian men. Perhaps rules limiting any one country to a maximum of 10% of the visa quota, and ensuring the intake is at least 60% female would assist public perceptions?
This is good. I have seen a lot of workers/friends who applied legitimately get fucked because of this kind of abuse of the system.
I still think expansion of the h1b program is necessary since there is a lot of demand. But curbing the abuse will definitely help the current set of people opting to use the legal way.
Just reading this makes me pissed off. I have hardworking friends who get good jobs (some FAANG and some in finance) but ultimately had to pack their bags and go home because they were “unlucky” several times in the h1b lottery system, and here we have people committing fraud. Bad actors like these then hurt even existing H1B holders in the context of more strict vetting processes for extensions etc., thus slowing USCIS down and grinding the whole system to a halt.
I doubt this is all of it. There’s definitely more in hiding.
Nothing about this is good. The entire system is one of arbitrary inefficiency. Punishing someone for trying to work around it and labeling it “fraud” when the only fraud going on is pushing a protectionist agenda as a free market isn’t a benefit for anyone.
My only experience with H1b was when I worked at Amazon.
Lots of pressure to come in on the weekend. I certainly wasn't going to sacrifice my weekends. I'd just tell them no. I could work somewhere else.
But the H1b guys I worked with from India constantly caved to the guilt. If they were to lose the job, they'd have to pack up their entire life and go back to India to try again.
Once when I visited Hyderabad, I was surprised by the staggering number of IT institutes in the city (around Ameerpet). There's just no way so many people can find a job, but somehow they do! Fraudulent claims in resumes and job applications are very common - and HR folks often advise interviewers to verify claims in depth. IT jobs fraud is an industry.
Here's a picture from Ameerpet which shows the sheer scale of the IT training market there: https://imgur.com/a/AUogLtu
The economic incentives here are a tough nut to crack. Here they are:
1. Most first time H1B Visas are taken up by an employee that are paid(typically) less that the college educated US worker. Pay amortized over the lifetime of this employee is even lower because part of it was in places like India where the PPP is much higher and labor is cheap.
2. You can make a lot of money by staying on the edges of the law. For example body shops/consultants.
3. Try stopping such body shops and IT CoS will cause jobs to disappear forever into India. This is the part that most policy makers gloss over. Sure FAANG could hire US side that but they are minority of H1B applications filed.
Possible Changes:
0. Separate all categories from the Quota based Green Card residency filing. This will end the perverse incentive for certain H1B and L1 workers to come to the US for the sole purpose of citizenship. Especially the under the stupid EB1 manager cap.
1. Make it easier for people on H1B categories to study, change jobs and providing for gaps between employment that are reasonable. This will make people less beholden and less exploitable by body shops.
2. Introduce a points based system for Permanent Residence that will award citizenship fairly to everyone based on real effort put in by people to get here. Things like education, language, diversity, age all should count. This will chip away at incentives attached to certain visa types.
3. Completely separate the H1B Visa processing for US college educated from the other pool of H1B workers. Make more granular categories for work visa.
It should be made more complicated for companies to easily "import" skills that are not so hard to learn. Companies should train their employees for the coming new skills required. This is what Swiss companies were doing when it was impossible to immigrate in Switzerland. And the employee-employer relationship was a lot healthier than today.
Just one there are hundreds across the country. They all play the same game identify hot techs and hire people and bring them here and then bench them till work shows up. Trump has accomplished nothing so far.
For a "human trafficking" operation 600 people over a decade seems like a fairly small scale operation..
In terms of harm, these workers are clearly in demand, so apart from being unfair to other staffing agencies and H1B applicants, this really doesn't do much harm..
H1B is a pretty broken concept to begin with.. I was H1B for 4 years before I decided Trump-land wasn't a good place to set roots.
If you have demand for tech workers and tech workers willing to move. I think most countries and cities would move heaven and Earth to make things work out. Everybody wants to be silicon valley :)
(I don't see why SV has to have the problems it has, they seem fixable)
This program needs to end. H1B a bandaid over our complete failure to provide a modern education and bring young people into STEM, while dually deflating middle class wages for the tech oligarchs across the industry for several decades. And, ironically, the Democrats, who should supposedly be protecting the middle class, have a blood pact with the SV elite.
Oh please, you're just parroting Steve Bannon's pseduo-intellectual propaganda. Pull out this program and most of the Big-N companies would simply move these jobs overseas. I would go so far to say that lumping them with illegal immigration is doing a dis-service to them considering how much they contribute to the economy. Most of them have built core components of what you use today. Why wouldn't you want them contributing to society here and buying houses?
That being said, sure, fraud happens and we need to come up with solutions to curtail that. Not knee-jerk reactions based on political biases.
Somehow I question that you are 100% Native American (the only people who are really allowed to complain about this whole immigration “issue”).
From the historic perspective- With very high probability you are just another immigrant who came here a bit earlier than the guy unboarding jfk flight this second.
Study history. USA was/is built by immigrants. Good immigration policies attract talent that moves the planet forward. Where would USA be today if it wasn’t for many talented people who came to this country to pursue their dreams?
Don’t blame issues caused by corruption and private interests in the upper echelons of power on others.
Before I clicked on the link, I suspected it would be an Indian. I've dealt with a few such "recruiters" in London as well. Slimy individuals preying on those trying to secure a better future.
Even before clicking the link I thought it would be an Indian guy. Cause the headline sounded odd!
I don't know why only Indians are doing this shit predominantly. This will lead to other Indians getting abused given how negative and fake news spreads today!
>I don't know why only Indians are doing this shit predominantly.
Because of a huge number of Indian students, especially from one particular state. US is marketed as an utopia to them, so they all line up to study in US thinking they will get a job as soon as they complete their studies. Reality is surviving on h1b in US is hard. The students have less than 18 months to get an h1b or packup and leave. The Indians who do these scams know how desperate the students are. This is the only chance they have to recoup their educational expenses and show that US experience in their resume and work in US for couple of years at least. The scammers exploit this situation of students.
I think it will soon come to an end with the current administration finally taking action to end this practice. That means students will have less visas and the number of students will come down.
I don't see why this is particularly newsworthy. "Man accused of small amount of fraud" is barely a headline in other areas, why is this instance such a major deal?
The laws criminalizing immigration need to repealed. Then there wouldn't be such a market incentivizing people to engage in fraud simply to bring people together.
This is a ridiculous argument. Every law prohibiting or encouraging a behavior has the potential to create an illicit market. the fact that such a black market could exist is a pretty poor excuse to disregard it.
[+] [-] rdl|7 years ago|reply
I assume someone could abusively misuse h1b in the traditional Wipro/Infosys way anyway, by doing staffing companies. His fraud was just more capital efficient but not that fundamentally different.
It is probably unpopular, but I think h1b should be ended. Genuine short term needs should be covered through something like L1, and aside from specific categories of non-immigrant visa like medical or educational, we should just expand immigrant visas on a Canadian/NZ style merit/points system. This would be less discriminatory against people from big countries (China and India specifically), avoid some of the abuse possibilities, and be better for employees/immigrants and their families. The only losers would be body shops and large employers who benefit today from a limited form of indenture.
[+] [-] carlsborg|7 years ago|reply
This way the body shopping model breaks. Also in the current system workers tied to an employer have less leverage in terms of demands/wage negotiations, and tend to stick around for a long time, so this part of incentive from the hiring managers perspective will go away.
[+] [-] kshacker|7 years ago|reply
So Indian outsourcing companies get a visa in October 2010, do not send the person to US till June 2011, the person does a 6 month project then goes back, comes back 6 months later and spends some time and goes back again. At the end they file for lost days recapture and keep on extending the H1 for 8-9-10-12 years because the person has not spent 12 years employed. While this works for the outsourcing companies, the existence of this model creates perverse incentives for any employer as they have no obligation to pay a person simply because they can classify as being employed in different branch (India), on vacation (sometimes), on unpaid vacation (bench).
If the visa was given for 3 or 6 years (with renewal) but you had to a) pay the person or surrender the visa, maybe if you use only 80% for year 1 and the visa gets canceled, and b) there was no extension because of any sundry reasons : initial visa issued in October 2010 expires in September 2016 come what may, you could maybe fix it a little bit. Of course business cycles can bring in some uncertainty but then maybe we can not penalize a single H1 but if the company has deployed only 70% of its H1 staff on US salary, and is still asking for a visa in the next year, it is obviously a no no : if you are such a company then further visas are just not granted.
[+] [-] jgh|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sershe|7 years ago|reply
Disclaimer: I'm a former L1, although I'm pretty sure I would've also "made it" under H1-salary-system above.
[+] [-] bradleyjg|7 years ago|reply
I think a point system is a good way to go, but it isn’t necessary to end the disparate access that those from India, China, the Philippines, and Mexico face. All that would take is a small amendment to section 202 removing the per country caps.
On a separate but related topic, given how large tech employers treat job applicants I don’t believe them when they say the face a shortage of qualified workers. Actions speak louder than words.
[+] [-] broknbottle|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] foldr|7 years ago|reply
The current L1 is a visa for transferring from a branch of a company in another country to a branch of the same company in the US. I get that you're not talking about the L1 in its current form, but it's far from being a general mechanism for dealing with short term labor needs.
[+] [-] DuskStar|7 years ago|reply
You could probably lump quite a few visa programs together into that, actually.
[+] [-] pentae|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] beerlord|7 years ago|reply
Having multiple, smaller groups of people inside the USA also assists integration - instead of being able to fall back on a parallel society, migrants will be forced to integrate and learn English.
Plus, just like the Olympics, diversity makes things interesting. Having (qualified) people from Belgium, Poland, Kenya, Thailand, Japan, Colombia, Mongolia (for example) is more interesting than just India, India, India, China, China, China.... A broader pool of migrants also helps US businesses expand worldwide.
Finally, the schemes should also include a minimum 55% quota of women, from each country. This ensures that any visa scheme does not become completely dominated by men, and addresses past imbalances.
[+] [-] mavelikara|7 years ago|reply
I hope these two cases don't go the way of the one against Raju Kosuri. Kosuri, a naturalized American citizen, plead guilty [1] to serious charges of immigration fraud. But due to some technicality in the prosecution's case, Kosuri was handed down a mere 28 months to serve, and is scheduled to be deported to India [2].
Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship?
[1]: https://www.scribd.com/document/322254486/Kosuri-Plea
[2]: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/12/24/indian-nationa...
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[+] [-] npsomaratna|7 years ago|reply
Edit: and yes, India, only allows single-citizenship. Accepting U.S. citizenship automatically results in the loss of Indian citizenship.
[+] [-] jobigoud|7 years ago|reply
That means the law is not the same for all American citizens. He is getting a different punishment than another arbitrary American citizen doing the same offense.
[+] [-] gaius|7 years ago|reply
Usually the way this works is that country A doesn't "recognise" dual-citizenship, which means if you are a citizen of country A and country B and you commit an offence in country A you don't get to say "well I am a citizen of country B so that doesn't apply to me". I am not sure if India requires you to give up your citizenship on taking another, but if they did it would make sense, and in fact it's surprising that that doesn't always happen. If a citizen of country A wants to become a citizen of country B instead fair enough but it's not in the interests of A or B that they should retain citizenship of A too.
[+] [-] nonamechicken|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] beerlord|7 years ago|reply
Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely?
I think its generally problematic if one class of visa comes to be dominated by a single nationality. It does not result in diversity in the host country, for starters.
I think people would be more welcoming of the H1B visa (and expanding it, or offering more rights for those on it) if it wasn't completely dominated by Indian men. Perhaps rules limiting any one country to a maximum of 10% of the visa quota, and ensuring the intake is at least 60% female would assist public perceptions?
[+] [-] BIackSwan|7 years ago|reply
I still think expansion of the h1b program is necessary since there is a lot of demand. But curbing the abuse will definitely help the current set of people opting to use the legal way.
[+] [-] tzhenghao|7 years ago|reply
I doubt this is all of it. There’s definitely more in hiding.
[+] [-] ntsplnkv2|7 years ago|reply
How about we invest and offer scholarship in these areas of need instead so 5 years down we don't need to bring in indentured servants.
Or offer permanent citizenship.
[+] [-] sneak|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sheeshkebab|7 years ago|reply
If country has shortage of critical skilled workers - bring them in permanently, based on a system similar to what Canada has.
[+] [-] wild_preference|7 years ago|reply
Lots of pressure to come in on the weekend. I certainly wasn't going to sacrifice my weekends. I'd just tell them no. I could work somewhere else.
But the H1b guys I worked with from India constantly caved to the guilt. If they were to lose the job, they'd have to pack up their entire life and go back to India to try again.
Easy high-skill exploitation.
[+] [-] dennisgorelik|7 years ago|reply
If there is no quota and no insanely long waiting periods for getting a green card -- H1b will become mostly irrelevant.
[+] [-] jeswin|7 years ago|reply
Once when I visited Hyderabad, I was surprised by the staggering number of IT institutes in the city (around Ameerpet). There's just no way so many people can find a job, but somehow they do! Fraudulent claims in resumes and job applications are very common - and HR folks often advise interviewers to verify claims in depth. IT jobs fraud is an industry.
Here's a picture from Ameerpet which shows the sheer scale of the IT training market there: https://imgur.com/a/AUogLtu
[+] [-] sizzle|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] projectramo|7 years ago|reply
I will just point out one thing:
1. How many immigrants come (total number per year)
2. How they are selected (merit or family)
3. Where they come from (the wisdom of country caps)
Are three separate issues that need not be conflated. People tend to give a mixed solution based on their personal experience.
[+] [-] itissid|7 years ago|reply
1. Most first time H1B Visas are taken up by an employee that are paid(typically) less that the college educated US worker. Pay amortized over the lifetime of this employee is even lower because part of it was in places like India where the PPP is much higher and labor is cheap.
2. You can make a lot of money by staying on the edges of the law. For example body shops/consultants.
3. Try stopping such body shops and IT CoS will cause jobs to disappear forever into India. This is the part that most policy makers gloss over. Sure FAANG could hire US side that but they are minority of H1B applications filed.
Possible Changes:
0. Separate all categories from the Quota based Green Card residency filing. This will end the perverse incentive for certain H1B and L1 workers to come to the US for the sole purpose of citizenship. Especially the under the stupid EB1 manager cap.
1. Make it easier for people on H1B categories to study, change jobs and providing for gaps between employment that are reasonable. This will make people less beholden and less exploitable by body shops.
2. Introduce a points based system for Permanent Residence that will award citizenship fairly to everyone based on real effort put in by people to get here. Things like education, language, diversity, age all should count. This will chip away at incentives attached to certain visa types.
3. Completely separate the H1B Visa processing for US college educated from the other pool of H1B workers. Make more granular categories for work visa.
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[+] [-] jopsen|7 years ago|reply
In terms of harm, these workers are clearly in demand, so apart from being unfair to other staffing agencies and H1B applicants, this really doesn't do much harm..
H1B is a pretty broken concept to begin with.. I was H1B for 4 years before I decided Trump-land wasn't a good place to set roots.
If you have demand for tech workers and tech workers willing to move. I think most countries and cities would move heaven and Earth to make things work out. Everybody wants to be silicon valley :)
(I don't see why SV has to have the problems it has, they seem fixable)
[+] [-] GordonS|7 years ago|reply
Yes, foreign workers who are willing to work for less than local market rates are in big demand.
Foreign workers are also very likely to move a big chunk of their wages back to their families every month.
So in terms of harm, there are these at least:
[+] [-] zaru27|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] spiderPig|7 years ago|reply
That being said, sure, fraud happens and we need to come up with solutions to curtail that. Not knee-jerk reactions based on political biases.
[+] [-] readhn|7 years ago|reply
From the historic perspective- With very high probability you are just another immigrant who came here a bit earlier than the guy unboarding jfk flight this second.
Study history. USA was/is built by immigrants. Good immigration policies attract talent that moves the planet forward. Where would USA be today if it wasn’t for many talented people who came to this country to pursue their dreams?
Don’t blame issues caused by corruption and private interests in the upper echelons of power on others.
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[+] [-] choot|7 years ago|reply
Do you also assume all bank and atm robberies are done by Romanians?
And all credit card skeaming by Russians.
All money laundering by Brits and all brothels by Dutch.
I don't see any point of making such broad generalisation about a particular ethinicity.
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[+] [-] nonamechicken|7 years ago|reply
Because of a huge number of Indian students, especially from one particular state. US is marketed as an utopia to them, so they all line up to study in US thinking they will get a job as soon as they complete their studies. Reality is surviving on h1b in US is hard. The students have less than 18 months to get an h1b or packup and leave. The Indians who do these scams know how desperate the students are. This is the only chance they have to recoup their educational expenses and show that US experience in their resume and work in US for couple of years at least. The scammers exploit this situation of students.
I think it will soon come to an end with the current administration finally taking action to end this practice. That means students will have less visas and the number of students will come down.
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