What this says to me is don't bother trying to super overclock a i9-9940X, Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run.
It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did the overclocking themselves.
That wouldn't make that much sense at that number given that such a large percentage of recent chips have been good enough to make it to 5.0 ghz+ according to these statistics recorded by Silicon Lottery: https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics -- no stats for i9-9990XE but there's enough to get an idea.
It wouldn't be that shocking if delays keep hitting on the new product line that they just skim the top 30% of chips and call it a "new" product though, which would be both really funny and almost immediately noticed. But overall this kind of thing is inevitable given the giant difference between what these kinds of processors run at stock and what people who are eager to buy a top of the line processor are actually going to want to run it at.
Also notable for a huge increase in TDP from the next-slower model (255 W vs 165 W) - and it has four fewer cores.
> Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
That is insane, like the worst of the Pentium4 NetBurst era when AMD was competitive at the high end and Intel decided to try to clock their way out of the problem. Granted this is a one-off chip to grab headlines and not a long term micro-architecture commitment.
But between this and the fiasco when Intel announced a 28-core 5 GHz chip[0] (without mentioning the 1800 W industrial water chiller needed to cool it), it's starting to sound desperate in its attempts to deflect attention from AMD's EPYC and Threadripper high-core-count chips.
550+ watts is insane. That is spaceheater territory. Residential outlets start tripping at 1500-2000 watts. How soon we will have to run even basic gaming machines off multiple outlets.
Quote from the end: "perhaps importantly, there is no warranty from Intel. This means that system builders will not be able to recoup costs on dead silicon, but they might give their own warranty to end users."
This would be a pretty significant liability for builders in countries that have automatic consumer protections (eg: Consumer Guarantees Act in NZ). The builders would have to eat the costs of faulty units.
I've got this 20GHz bazillion core CPU for a really good price. No warranty, no guarantees, stated or otherwise implied (May or may not work). Call me for price.
I kind of like this trend of power-hungry beastly CPUs. The AMD 2990WX is also rated 250W (but for 32c/64t@3GHz). I have one with a 280mm AIO, and it sees high 60C under load at stock frequencies. I can only overclock to 3.4GHz while sustaining heavy compute 24/7 and that's probably drawing close to 400W and heats up to mid 80C (in a room with 20C ambient). It's a pleasant space heater for the winter.
Hoping to see AMD continue to push the HEDT threshold. Let the server market have their underclocked power-efficient processors. Though to be honest if things go much further I'm going to need a custom waterloop next generation.
Who needs these chips? I'm honestly curious. I've never worked on something that needed as much single-thread performance as possible and couldn't be parallelized; I'd love to know what industry will use them (and what industry would buy a small number of chips at auction prices).
My workstation has 20 cores/40 threads and a large C++ compile job parallelizes nicely, but the linking phase does not. I could use more single threaded performance to speed up linking of our many libraries and executables.
jandrese|7 years ago
It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did the overclocking themselves.
gruez|7 years ago
how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
j-c-hewitt|7 years ago
It wouldn't be that shocking if delays keep hitting on the new product line that they just skim the top 30% of chips and call it a "new" product though, which would be both really funny and almost immediately noticed. But overall this kind of thing is inevitable given the giant difference between what these kinds of processors run at stock and what people who are eager to buy a top of the line processor are actually going to want to run it at.
mschaef|7 years ago
This is just Intel identifying a market and a way to serve it, in order to make some money. They're a business. It's what they do.
jdietrich|7 years ago
blattimwind|7 years ago
> Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
iClaudiusX|7 years ago
But between this and the fiasco when Intel announced a 28-core 5 GHz chip[0] (without mentioning the 1800 W industrial water chiller needed to cool it), it's starting to sound desperate in its attempts to deflect attention from AMD's EPYC and Threadripper high-core-count chips.
[0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/12907/we-got-a-sneak-peak-on-...
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ec109685|7 years ago
I wonder though how anandtech esitmates that only 100’s of these chips will be produced.
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JustAPerson|7 years ago
Hoping to see AMD continue to push the HEDT threshold. Let the server market have their underclocked power-efficient processors. Though to be honest if things go much further I'm going to need a custom waterloop next generation.
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