[talltimtom]

To understand that you need to understand “if”, “or” and assignment expressions. You think this is hard to understand, and that’s fair, but the hard point here isn’t the assignment expression, it’s the short circuiting or-statement. You’d have the same issues with debugging “if f() or g():...”

So are you arguing that the language should not have short-circuit or-statements?

That just seems like you are sacrificing tons of usability only to slightly improve on the expectations of those who are just starting python, like the first 1-2weeks of trying to learn it.

[IgorPartola]

I am arguing for short circuiting and against assignment expressions returning. You save one line per assignment while also making everything more confusing. Next thing you know we will be debating why a++ is a thing and how it that now returns so you can use it in if statements.