[bendoernberg]

Markets and liberalism have been failing so drastically for decades that fascism is rising across the globe. What evidence do you see that this is going to change in time to prevent unimaginable catastrophe? We all need to sprint lefter and greener before it's too late.

[vnorilo]

The evidence is to the contrary as you said. I just think that the only way to get people to actually do this is to let the markets work it out.

I'm not saying, at all, that the "invisible hand" will sort it out by itself. Agreed: that's ridicilously naive, or worse (bad faith).

I mean that if regulators force the costs of externalities into the market, things could work out.

When I'm shopping for milk, my local grocery has options like organic, and locally produced (within county). Which is the green choice? Soy milk is likely less co2 intensive, but then again it's shipped from across the globe. I do not know. And this is just milk.

I'd prefer the govt to tax greenhouse gases to oblivion. Then it becomes easy for me and others.