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sageabilly | 7 years ago

If every single employer has the same work conditions, then what? If the state of the industry as a whole is low pay and unpaid overtime, then it's not like a developer can just go to a better job.

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lovetocode|7 years ago

A developer can go make crud web applications like the rest of us. There are options to get out of it they just don’t want to take them. I don’t know if this rings true for graphics artists, game designers, etc. But a programmer who develops game code can probably write a web app too without too much struggle

ed312|7 years ago

I did exactly what you described. Unfortunately there is an endless supply of fresh grads (and even very talented amateurs with no schooling) willing to work absolutely slave-like conditions to "live the dream".

midnightclubbed|7 years ago

Not every employer has the same conditions, and even within a single employer there can be a wide variance of the work conditions (generally based on project and the mid-level management's competency).

The success of a studio does not seem to correlate with how poorly or well they treat their staff.

In CA overtime is always paid for more junior staff (QA, junior artists/designers) as there were a number of high profile lawsuits against games companies back in the early 2000s. For senior staff and most programmers the salaries are (in my experience) competitive with general development work outside of the Bay Area and FAANG space.

bubblewrap|7 years ago

The answer is, get a valuable skill set. If you are the only neurosurgeon in the world, and somebody needs a brain tumor removed, I'd like to see them try offer a minimum wage for the operation.

It's people's own responsibility to make themselves valuable. It's nice if some people offer pathways to becoming valuable (education, traineeships, whatever), but I don't see how anybody would be entitled to it. That would imply somebody would be responsible for delivering it, and who should that be? Why would anybody be responsible for it?

tathougies|7 years ago

Then don't be a game developer. Luckily, the skills are readily transferrable to all sorts of better paying specialties in software engineering

kabacha|7 years ago

Unions is a solution we got kinda nailed long time ago.

lovetocode|7 years ago

I’m not knowledgeable enough of unions to take an informed position on their merits. My impression was that unions are often an image of protection and nothing more. I could be wrong about that though.